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[Elthir]

Some of them, but the non-Tolkienian names don't stick well in my skull-chamber . . . and I'm not sure to whom they were given, even if they stuck.

I do remember a "Theo" though . . . I'm going to guess it belongs to an actor playing somebody who is not Galadriel?

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I just can't understand why they wouldn't use some genuine Tolkienian names more redolent with Middle-earth feeling; "Hanna Goldworthy" for example. 🙄

More seriously, given the paucity of writing on the Second Age-- even if unpublished work is included -- is it really so surprising to see invented names, not to mention invented characters? I find a lot of this carping a little odd.

 

[Elthir]

For myself, I'm not surprised at invented characters and invented names. I've been a bit surprised at some of the invented names themselves though.

I mean, what's wrong with something like Ando Endorfin, for example?

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

What? You mean you haven't been watching all the rant videos?! 😳

They're so well made and informative! I'll definitely be skipping the series now, especially because YouTube told me to!


#sweetamazonmonies

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I mean, what's wrong with something like Ando Endorfin, for example?

Or Squinto?

 

[Elthir]

Or was it Endo Andorfin?

What was it Gando, I'm getting old!

 

[Eljorahir]

The new character named Halbrand allowed my imagination to run for a bit.

"House of Haleth" + "Brandir" + broken black sword = "Halbrand"???

Also, if I recall correctly, Aragorn had a good friend in the north named Halbarad.

Maybe the new character Halbrand will have some type of linkage to Brandir of the past and Halbarad of the future??

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Malva

BTW, Elthir, I wasn't pointing at you in my "carping" remark; I don't consider you a carper. Or a carp.

Or for that matter, any kind of 🐠

 

[Olorgando]

Or was it Endo Andorfin?

What was it Gando, I'm getting old!

Who are you, and who let you in to TTF??? 🧙‍♂️

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

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BTW, Elthir, I wasn't pointing at you in my "carping" remark; I don't consider you a carper. Or a carp.

Or for that matter, any kind of 🐠

DELORES!!!

 

[Elthir]

BTW, Elthir, I wasn't pointing at you in my "carping" remark; I don't consider you a carper. Or a carp.

Or for that matter, any kind of 🐠

Oh I didn't think you were. But thanks anyway SES.

Mmmm. Carp.

 

[Halasían]

Or was it Endo Andorfin?

What was it Gando, I'm getting old!

'The' Gandolorian!

Oh Carpet...

 

[arivista]

I'm not sure Huor's wife's name appears in anything ROP has the wights to?

Anyway, they do have the wights to Celebrían for example, but anyway again, I think/guess/assume the question might have been more like: where does the information come from that a given character is named Rían instead of Selin.

Rían would be terrible choice, an par with "Haleth son of Hama" in TTT movie.
Selin is a little bit better, but still, it sounds to me more like something from Star Trek...

P.S. I knew I was right! https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Selin_Peers

 

[d4rk3lf]

Off you go then...

Thanks bro, and I love you!!
Wooohoooo

I'd very appreciate if you hold my hand tight during the jump...

 

[Elthir]

Part One of a longer response on beards (. . . ) In Appendix A, Tolkien's Gimli writes: "They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart."

Since I just read Hair IV, and Beards V, in The Nature of Middle-Earth, I thought I might as well add the following. At one point, Tolkien notes (Beards V):

"When I came to think of it, in my own imagination, beards were not found among Hobbits (as stated in text); nor among the Eldar (not stated). All male Dwarves had them. The wizards had them, though Radagast (not stated) had only short, curling, light brown hair on his chin. ( . . .)"

Okay. Why note "male" Dwarves?

Incidentally, "male Dwarves" looks italicized as typed in NOME, although the general description of the text describes that it is written in a slightly hasty hand. If my eyes do not indeed deceive me with respect to the italicization here, perhaps Tolkien did something to warrant this.

Anyway, Tolkien has clearly forgotten about Cirdan having a beard, as well as "unpublished" text about Elves not normally having beards until their third cycle of life. Also published by JRRT himself, the detail that the Harfoots were "beardless and bootless" and [later in the text] that the Hobbits of the East-farthing wore dwarf-boots in muddy weather, and that many grew "down" on their chins . . . leading to the next sentence: "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard"

The Hobbits with down and dwarf-boots being well known to be Stoors in a large part of their blood.

So, whatever Tolkien meant by male Dwarves (arguably at least suggesting not female Dwarves), in this late text he seems to have forgotten some of what he published -- at least certainly with respect to Cirdan, if one wanted to quibble with "down" or "trace of a beard" -- and for myself, I would hold him to what was said in Appendix A . . .

. . . about the "appearance" of Dwarf-women

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

I'd very appreciate if you hold my hand tight during the jump...

Maybe I could. You're not the only Quendi here...

 

[Halasían]

Since I just read Hair IV, and Beards V, in The Nature of Middle-Earth, I thought I might as well add the following. At one point, Tolkien notes (Beards V):

"When I came to think of it, in my own imagination, beards were not found among Hobbits (as stated in text); nor among the Eldar (not stated). All male Dwarves had them. The wizards had them, though Radagast (not stated) had only short, curling, light brown hair on his chin. ( . . .)"

Okay. Why note "male" Dwarves?

Incidentally, "male Dwarves" looks italicized as typed in NOME, although the general description of the text describes that it is written in a slightly hasty hand. If my eyes do not indeed deceive me with respect to the italicization here, perhaps Tolkien did something to warrant this.

Anyway, Tolkien has clearly forgotten about Cirdan having a beard, as well as "unpublished" text about Elves not normally having beards until their third cycle of life. Also published by JRRT himself, the detail that the Harfoots were "beardless and bootless" and [later in the text] that the Hobbits of the East-farthing wore dwarf-boots in muddy weather, and that many grew "down" on their chins . . . leading to the next sentence: "No Harfoot or Fallohide had any trace of a beard"

The Hobbits with down and dwarf-boots being well known to be Stoors in a large part of their blood.

So, whatever Tolkien meant by male Dwarves (arguably at least suggesting not female Dwarves), in this late text he seems to have forgotten some of what he published -- at least certainly with respect to Cirdan, if one wanted to quibble with "down" or "trace of a beard" -- and for myself, I would hold him to what was said in Appendix A . . .

. . . about the "appearance" of Dwarf-women

So in a nutshell you're saying that Tolkien himself is wrong about Tolkien.

 

[Elthir]

So in a nutshell you're saying that Tolkien himself is wrong about Tolkien.

Yes

And I'm following Christopher Tolkien's lead here with respect to Tolkien's memory, late texts, and Celebrimbor: " . . . no doubt he had forgotten that that theory [Celebrimbor as descendant of Feanor] had appeared in print, for had he remembered it he would undoubtedly have felt bound by it." Of Dwarves And Men, note 7, POME

But even without this, as I always say sometimes: in my opinion, one cannot truly "revise" and idea that has already been published, unless one is aware that one is stepping on the Subcreated World.

And that goes for "one". . . and two

 

[Aldarion]

So in a nutshell you're saying that Tolkien himself is wrong about Tolkien.

Why would that be surprising? It is not that unusual for an author to be wrong about his own work - see for Robert Heinlein.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Even Homer nods.