Shadow of the Past movie

[Idril Celebrindal]

Why did they have to announce it on the same day that Frodo destroyed the Ring? 😭

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt41070763/

 

[Ugluk]

What are the smoking? Not pipeweed, that's for sure. Talk about fan fiction!

 

[Frandîr]

Wait, is this bad? I am dying to see more Tolkien on screen. Regardless, remember guys. This are adaptations.

 

[Idril Celebrindal]

Wait, is this bad? I am dying to see more Tolkien on screen. Regardless, remember guys. This are adaptations.

I just don't think a sequel is the right way to go at all. The story ended when Frodo left. If they open it up again after Frodo's gone then it renders that ending obsolete.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Apparently, Colbert's idea is to cover Chapters 3-8 of Fellowship, glossed over or ignored in the movie. One article:

Stephen Colbert to write new Lord of the Rings film after end of the Late Show

Comedian and avid Tolkien fan to write the Lord of the Rings: Shadow of the Past, a new Peter Jackson-produced film based on unadapted chapters of The Fellowship of the Ring

www.theguardian.com

So, not a "sequel", in the sense of the discarded "The New Shadow". The Eleanor element sounds more like a sort of framing device.

My unease comes from the presence of the usual suspects from the movies -- though admittedly that will reassure FADS, of course.

Given Colbert's expertise with the legendarium, and probable insistence on adherence to the source, I won't be surprised if he gets fired from the project, T.A.Shippey style.

 

[Frandîr]

I just don't think a sequel is the right way to go at all. The story ended when Frodo left. If they open it up again after Frodo's gone then it renders that ending obsolete.

I understand this, but then again, the place that the books and films hold in my heart and memories will never be squandered. It is I, the only responsible for this.

 

[Frandîr]

Apparently, Colbert's idea is to cover Chapters 3-8 of Fellowship, glossed over or ignored in the movie. One article:

Stephen Colbert to write new Lord of the Rings film after end of the Late Show

Comedian and avid Tolkien fan to write the Lord of the Rings: Shadow of the Past, a new Peter Jackson-produced film based on unadapted chapters of The Fellowship of the Ring

www.theguardian.com

So, not a "sequel", in the sense of the discarded "The New Shadow". The Eleanor element sounds more like a sort of framing device.

My unease comes from the presence of the usual suspects from the movies -- though admittedly that will reassure FADS, of course.

Given Colbert's expertise with the legendarium, and probable insistence on adherence to the source, I won't be surprised if he gets fired from the project, T.A.Shippey style.

Given the hype that they have given it and the media exposure that it already has, I want to think he won't be fired...he may leave the project if he feels his writing is being censored or severely edited. Let's hope for the best.

Also, it is going to be a chance to see what they do with Bombadilio!

 

[Ugluk]

Steve Colbert has been touted as a major Tolkien scholar. Can someone point me to some of this work in this regard? I only know of him as an unfunny American "comedian".

 

[Frandîr]

The term "scholar" has been insanely hyperbolated. He does not have any credentials to prove this, even if we aim to define what it is to be a scholar. For me, Corey Olsen would be one of the standards to look up to when it comes to label someone as a Tolkien Scholar. Then again, Colbert has given a lot of exposure to Tolkien in the mainstream media, and for me, that has to count for something.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I haven't seen Colbert called a "scholar", though I imagine some might have done so. I'm unaware of any scholarly work on Tolkien by him.

That said, he's undeniably deeply immersed in and knowledgeable about the legendarium --more so than some filmmakers I could name.

As for what's funny or not, that's always a subjective judgement.

 

[Frandîr]

This guy calls him a "scholar". By 1:20

The term is just being loosely used.

I haven't seen Colbert called a "scholar", though I imagine some might have done so. I'm unaware of any scholarly work on Tolkien by him.

That said, he's undeniably deeply immersed in and knowledgeable about the legendarium --more so than some filmmakers I could name.

As for what's funny or not, that's always a subjective judgement.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Agreed -- although the term has been applied widely through time to anything from serious researchers and authors, people who study some subject, or just students of any sort, as in the old nursery rhyme.

I'm sure the guy's conception fits in there somewhere. 😄

 

[Ugluk]

I haven't seen Colbert called a "scholar", though I imagine some might have done so. I'm unaware of any scholarly work on Tolkien by him.

That said, he's undeniably deeply immersed in and knowledgeable about the legendarium --more so than some filmmakers I could name.

As for what's funny or not, that's always a subjective judgement.

Any links? Google is not helpful in finding his writings.

Anything I consider funny is humour. The rest isn't!

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

As I said right there, I'm unaware of any.

What you can find are a number of clips on YouTube. A few here, for instance:

Stephen Colbert on Tolkien and "Favorite Song"

Here is a great break down of Stephen Colbert showing his in-depth Tolkien knowledge. https://rol.st/2PfqCLp

thetolkien.forum

 

[Eldacar]

Wait, is this bad? I am dying to see more Tolkien on screen. Regardless, remember guys. This are adaptations.

I don't think it is bad, that the Lord of the Rings gets adaptations. After all it is a way of keeping a story alive and introducing new people to it. But an adaptation doesn't merit itself and there is little worth in producing the same adaptation over an over again. It becomes stale and stagnate and can do more harm to the public's view of the original source material than good via exposure and creativity. To me, and it seems at least also to a notable amount of members on this and other forums, the Jackson way of adapting Tolkien has reached the end of its usefulness. The Trilogy in all honours, a quarter of a century later we can and should move on from it.

Instead of moving on to new visions of Middle-Earth we get a very tired and unspired looking Peter Jackson announcing the third movie set somewhere within the confines of the Lord of the Rings within some five years or so, that relies on the same creative team as he did for all his movies which are arguably degrading in quality over time. No one would probably favour the Hobbit over the Lord of the Rings or the War of the Rohirrim over the former.

The only thing 'new' to this project is a proposed and probably superficial faithfulness to the books that leans heavily on a self presenting Tolkien Ultrafan in the person of Stephen Colbert. On a personal note I find him more than annoying as he doesn't convey an image of a humble book loving fan but of a pretentious Know-it-all, delighted in the commercial aspect of the never ending Middle-Earth marketing. It is giving MCU vibes in all the negative ways is what I am trying to say. My guess about the movie is that we are going to see an enormous amount of nostalgia present for the Trilogy. There will be at least some familiar faces, if not all of them (Sean Astin, Billy Boyd, etc.). The description on IMDB, that "Fourteen years after Frodo's passing, Sam, Merry, and Pippin set out to retrace the first steps of their adventure" implies heavily that like with a lot of current Hollywood Productions in general and the War of the Rohirrim in particular, we are going to be reliving any notable scene from the Trilogy that is possible to be crunched into the story. Prepare yourself to see the same people and places all over again with characters reciting already seen events or maybe reenacting them with minute changes. A movie written by Member Berries for all that its worth and I can't stand that any more. But hey, it's just a guess of what's coming and maybe I am wrong but from all that I've seen from Jackson in the last 15 years I don't have any reason to believe, I am wrong.

Given Colbert's expertise with the legendarium, and probable insistence on adherence to the source, I won't be surprised if he gets fired from the project, T.A.Shippey style.

My guess would be that he stays with the project and that next to all the nostalgia we get some oddly specific nods to books as well. Double Nostalgia, if you will.

 

[Frandîr]

I completely understand this. I would love to see a shift on the legendarium on screen. Considering that they are working with the allowed copyrighted materials, for me it's better than nothing.

Nonetheless, it is us fans that need to be more receptive of other people's work, and consume anything created about our beloved world.


Like this one, which I found cool and entertaining.

 

[Eldacar]

I get that as normal fans without any capabilities of producing a movie myself I 'have' to take what I am given by the studios and people that do. But as a fan I don't have to be content with it and should hold the people responsible to some standard of quality, that I deem appropriate of the things I love.
And there are stories to be told from the material that is there. With the Appendices you could make a Prequel to the Hobbit, with the detailed backstory of Thorin and how Gandalf set the plan up. The War of the Rohirrim started out with a promising part of Middle-Earth History but made nothing of it and in many regards catered to Rohirrim Nostalgia from the Jackson Movies. Even a Sequel to the Lord of the Rings is not a bad idea itself but trying to fit in the Old Forest in the context of a movie that wilfully cut it out, seems to be little promising in terms of a movie that upholds a quality standard that I would like to see.

 

[Ugluk]

Nonetheless, it is us fans that need to be more receptive of other people's work, and consume anything created about our beloved world.

If it's good, sure. But not everything uncritically. If someone decides to do a naked rock opera version of LOTR on ice in Klingon I, for one, won't be watching!

 

[Frandîr]

If it's good, sure. But not everything uncritically. If some decides to do a naked rock opera version of LOTR on ice in Klingon I, for one, won't be watching.

You had me at rock opera on ice, lost me at Klingon. 😅

 

[Ugluk]

You had me at rock opera on ice, lost me at Klingon. 😅

I completely understand this. I would love to see a shift on the legendarium on screen. Considering that they are working with the allowed copyrighted materials, for me it's better than nothing.

Nonetheless, it is us fans that need to be more receptive of other people's work, and consume anything created about our beloved world.


Like this one, which I found cool and entertaining.

what about the naked part?