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hey, a 💀nazgul want to have some things cleared :)

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have some questions, that need answering :p
Sorry for stupid questions but i just try to figure out some details that need translation. (i'm a nazgul, after all) :mad:

what the hell "the halfling's leaf" is?
(Your love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind.)

and "Bag End"
(Bilbo's Ring. He's gone to stay with the elves. He's left you Bag End)

and "to drop no eaves"
(Gandalf: Confound it all, Samwise Gamgee, have you been eavesdropping?
Sam:I haven't been dropping no eaves, sir, honest.)
it's a play on words, isn't it?

I'd appreciate any attempt to explain it to me :)

Thanks in advance from the other side
 
ok, then...

ok, thanks for the reply.

a halfling in Scottish English means something like adolescent, teen-ager...right? :confused:

I've dropped no eaves means the same as I've not eavesdropped?

Thanks
 
welcome friend

A halfling means basically a short person ie a half of person. so a Hobbit is an halfling

Yeh To have dropped no eaves (which are parts of your ear ) means to have eavesdropped (ie listenend into someones confersation.)




I notice that these are all quotes from the movie so if you want to know more about LOTR ect then I suggest you read th books by JRR Tolkien they clear up mst things pretty quickly
 
The onoly evidence in LOTR that you have from that is a shipment of it from the shire that shows he had a dealings with them . :)
 
That would not necessarily be the evidence that he smoked it (especially in secrecy, mocking Gandalf). That particurlar bit of information comes from UT.
 
In case you wanted to read that quote:

Now because of his dislike and fear, in the later days Saruman avoided Gandalf, and they seldom met, except at the assemblies of the White Council. It was at the great Council held in 2851 that the "Halflings' leaf" was first spoken of, and the matter was noted with amusement at the time, though it was afterwards remembered in a different light. The Council met in Rivendell, and Gandalf sat apart, silent, but smoking prodigiously (a thing he had never done before on such an occasion), while Saruman spoke against him, and urged that contrary to Gandalf's advice Dol Guldur should not yet be molested. Both the silence and the smoke seemed greatly to annoy Saruman, and before the Council dispersed be said to Gandalf: "When weighty matters are in debate, Mithrandir, I wonder a little that you should play with your toys of fire and smoke, while others are in earnest speech." 1
But Gandalf laughed, and replied: "You would not wonder if you used this herb yourself. Yon might find that smoke blown out cleared your mind of shadows within. Anyway, it gives patience, to listen to error without anger. But it is not one of my toys. It is an art of the Little People away in the West: merry and worthy folk, though not of much account, perhaps, in your high policies." 1
Saruman was little appeased by this answer (for he hated mockery, however gentle), and he said then coldly: "You jest, Lord Mithrandir, as is your way. I know well enough that you have become a curious explorer of the small: weeds, wild things and childish folk. Your time is your own to spend, if you have nothing worthier to do; and your friends you may make as you please. But to me the days are too dark for wanderers' tales, and I have no time for the simples of peasants."
Gandalf did not laugh again; and he did not answer, but looking keenly at Saruman he drew on his pipe and sent out a great ring of smoke with many smaller rings that followed it. Then he put up his hand, as if to grasp them, and they vanished. With that he got up and left Saruman without another word; but Saruman stood for some time silent, and his face was dark with doubt and displeasure.

This story appears in half a dozen different manuscripts, and in one of them it is said that Saruman was suspicious,

doubting whether he read rightly the purport of Gandalf's gesture with the rings of smoke (above all whether it showed any connexion between the Halflings and the great matter of the Rings of Power, unlikely though that might seem); and doubting that one so great could concern himself with such a people as the Halflings for their own sake merely.

In another (struck through) Gandalf's purpose is made explicit:

It was a strange chance, that being angered by his insolence Gandalf chose this way of showing to Saruman his suspicion that desire to possess them had begun to enter into his policies and his study of the lore of the Rings; and of warning him that they would elude him. For it cannot be doubted that Gandalf had as yet no thought that the Halflings (and still less their smoking) had any connection with the Rings. 23 If he had had any such thought, then certainly he would not have done then what he did. Yet later when the Halflings did indeed become involved in this greatest matter, Saruman could believe only that Gandalf had known or foreknown this, and had concealed the knowledge from him and from the Council – for just such a purpose as Saruman would conceive: to gain possession and to forestall him.
 
just ways of saying stuff. but theres a kid in my physics class who thinks that the book is about weed because of the pipe tabacco stuff in it.
 
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It was said somewhere (in one of the letters maybe) that the book is not about weed. Its not about mushrooms, either, despite that scene in the movie:D

A detailed map of the Shire could probably be found in the Hobbit (depending on the particurlar copy you have).1
 
yeah i know its not he is like convinced thouhg that it is everytime he says it i luagth cause its so rediculous.
 

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