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I think it says in the Silmarillion "Of the Coming of Men into the West" that Bereg (son of Beregund of Beor I think?) led a host of men, who tired of and disliked the power of the Elves in Beleriand, into Eriador never to be seen again. Coudl these be the men who would later come to found Bree...
As far as I know, the only Elves who didn't even set out to Valinor were the Avari. The Sindar, the Nandor, et cetera, set out but didn't complete the journey. So is it possible that the Avari were the ones who befriended the first men?
The view is commonly held that Orcs are distorted Elves, but this passage of Morgoth's Ring suggests otherwise...
But from this passage in The Silmarillion, it is taken that Orcs are distorted Elves...
Orcs: Men, or Elves? :confused:
The Silmarillion, Of the Silmaril's and Unrest of Noldor.
Given the circumstances, was Manwë correct in not revealing to the Elves, the forthcoming arrival of men?
Another topic from the Debate-Tournament.
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A topic taken from the Debating Tournament.
I'm not quite sure where this belongs, but for a start, I've put it here:
Is the race of Men in general treated fairly and had the same opportunities that other races had throughout the history of Middle Earth?
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Will men come to an evil end, or will they be a part of Arda Remade? Will men ever escape the evil that they fell into?
It will be helpful to have read Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth in HoME X to help answer this, as it has a lot of information regarding the fall of men into evil, and their own...
What do you think of the failure of the Valar to go to Hildorien and meet with men?
Did they spent all of their excitement and joy at the newness of the children of Iluvatar on the elves?
I wonder what the Avari thought of men. Did they know right away that these people were of a wholly...
CHAPTER 17
Of the coming of Men into the West
Chapter 17 from "The Silmarillion" is probably one of the most important ones in the book.
It is about Men,the Secondborn,those for whom Middle-earth is made.From the very begining of their existance there are many questions about them...
Why in all stories are Men the most important? Aswell as making up the numbers?
In the Sil, Men were kinda of the big thing, aswell as swelling the ranks.
In the Hobbit, a Man emerges as hero and slays Smaug
In LOTR, it is the strength of Men that wins ME must put their trust into.
In...
UT, Narn I Hîn Húrin:
Why the 'nor ever again by Elf-lord to a Man'? Didn't Elrond do this to Aragorn and the other chieftains of the North?
Appendix A:
But maybe Elrond wasn't exactly considered as an Elf-lord.
The Hobbit introduces him as follows, at any rate:
The implication here seems...
Were Men treated fairly by being left alone by the Valar?
I think they were, and if it was the other way around then the Elves would not have coped (sp) i dont think, as Men were given the gift of being able to "shape their life, amid the powers and chances of the world" (as Ilúvatar put it)...
Could it be?! :rolleyes:
Could these three races be in fact some form of Tolkien's vision of mankind - from purity and innocence >> through knowledge >> to the ugliness of people's use of that knowledge >> leading to destruction of moral values >> destruction of creativity >> in one word...
Since off late a ripple of interest has been caused in the matters of comparison of various beings of Arda.
Here is the latest one, yet it is based on a statement which Tolkien probably offhandedly wrote,
Note the usage of Children of Eru. So what I want to ask is that do you think...
Hmm was reading the "Harad" Post and it got me thinking...
I remember scantly that it stated Sauron when he invaded Eregon and Killed Celebrimbor that he found and took the 9 rings. The others were hid from him.
Im trying to remember the date that "The ringwraiths first appear" I believe...
In watching programs on PBS or Discovery regarding anthropology, many things can be learned or inferred through the study of how cultures dealt with their dead. Ranging from ancient England to mummified remains in South America - it tells alot about the people and their belief towards death...
Specifically Rohan and Gondor which is cheifly the two nations of men the trilogy speaks to...
In seeing the movie recently (this is NOT a movie question!) and then reviewing a couple of picture books I have w/ artist renderings of ME scenes such as Edoras, Helm's Deep, Osgiliath and Minas...
Did anyone else notice that during the end of the helms deep battle, their was only about 10 men left out of 600 men and elves combined? That kind of bothered me