Aren't the ⛏️Dwarves the Oldest?

Hello Grond, it seems like you are on more than me these days

And yes, I do declare that Dwarves are oldest in creation, though not in conception as they only served to made in the image of those visions revealed to the Ainur prior to the creation of Arda...well, that's how I view it, unless someone can convince me otherwise

I thought eleves were the oldest, but I don't know much of the history like you all. I should get more of the books. I like coming here to find out about the questions though.

Grond said:

Thank you Gothmog and I must apologize for forgetting that Ancalagon and my debate was on whether Tom's girlfriend Goldberry was a Maia or not. Same basic principal though. LOL!

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My vote for Grond!

Just what I think and I also got my answers to my post in Tom thread.
Nice debate, and final conclusion will be...in my M-E Tom and Goldberry are maiar, amd Goldberry is a "daughter" of .....(forgot) those Ulmos maias.

Nice!

Any other nice debates you could recommended?

dwarves/ the oldest?

I like dwarves, I happen to like the charactor of Aule too. don't know why. But dwarves came first. Tolkien said so. Even though they had to sleep until The Elves awoke, they were still first. In my thinking, that was Tolkiens way of saying things are not perfect, even though things were suppose to go this way they often go that way and thats life.