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Arnor or Gondor

Who was Stronger

  • Gondor

    Votes: 10 100.0%
  • Arnor

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10

1stvermont

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My son asked me who was stronger militarily at their peak, Gondor or Arnor, and I could not give him an answer because I don't know. Did Tolkien give us the answer? or at least some hints?
 
Since Arnor fell apart into three "petty kingdoms" in 861 Third Age upon the death of King Eärendur, Arnor's "peak" cannot have amounted to much.
Fonstad (from your son's other question) estimates Gondor to be twice as large as Arnor - the "core kingdom", not Gondor at the height of its power, which she estimates to be about three times as large. If we then assume that Gondor had something closer to a Mediterranean climate, while Arnor would have been closer to England and its neighbors across the North Sea and English Channel (but in both cases more of a continental climate), then we can assume Gondor's population density to have been greater. With Gondor reaching its peak of power almost 300 years after the division of Arnor, I'd thinks it's absolutely no contest that Gondor at its peak was far stronger than Arnor at its peak, whenever that may have been.
 
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Since Arnor fell apart into three "petty kingdoms" in 861 Third Age upon the death of King Eärendur, Arnor's "peak" cannot have amounted to much.
Fonstad (from your son's other question" estimates Gondor to be twice as large as Arnor - the "core kingdom", not Gondor at the height of its power, which she estimates to be about three times as large. If we then assume that Gondor had something closer to a Mediterranean climate, while Arnor would have been closer to England and its neighbors across the North Sea and English Channel (but in both vases more of a continental climate), then we can assume Gondor's population density to have been greater. With Gondor reaching its peak of power almost 300 years after the division of Arnor, I'd thinks it's absolutely no contest that Gondor at its peak was far stronger than Arnor at its peak, whenever that may have been.

Great stuff, thanks. I will pass it along to my son. Please do vote, it will make him happy. :)
 
At their peaks and during their declines Gondor was always greater and the Southern Dúnedain looked upon those in the North as being weak. This was one of the reasons that the victorious captain Eärnil was chosen over Arvedui in the succession. At its peak none dared tried to mess around with King Ciryaher. When Arvedui needed aid Eärnil sent a small fighting force, albeit too late, that was seen in the North as a great army.
 

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