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I'll defend every detail of Fellowship of the Ring, film

I was particularly annoyed by the prologue, which deflated and flattened what drew me into the story so well: the sense of mystery, or series of mysteries, the gradual unfolding of which made for a great story.
Yeah, this seems to be one of the more popular aspects of the film but it really does "drop the veil" rather quickly, almost so that everything that comes after is a let-down. It's borrowing from the Bakshi film but that movie at least keeps the action move "veiled".

Also, I have to wonder who Galadriel is narrating to. Is she breaking the fourth wall? 🤔
 
Anyway, the OP has not been here for three years to defend any details but I have quite a few I would be inclined to criticize, as I've done in different threads. And not just as an adaptation but as a standalone film.
 
Crooked Swords.

Apparently the same 150 seconds revealed to not just me, but to Christopher Tolkien as well, “This is not JRRT’s Middle-earth.”

And that was before we both said “Wait a minute… “Given to the Elves.” Sauron gave nothing to the Elves. Sauron had nothing to do with the Forging of those Rings. That was solely Celebrimbor.”

Now… The second point is minor, even if consequential when the point of the former is included.

Jackson did the equivalent here of depicting Communion in a Catholic Church, where the Priest is standing behind an altar that is a nude woman bend backwards on elbows and knees; wearing a Sigil of Baphomet, and with actual Human Blood, and Human Flesh as the Host.

Some people are likely having exploding heads, and pulling twisted bits of clothing from the crevices of their bodies.

But this is as consequential as that, given Tolkien’s Foundations of/for Middle-earth being the Metaphysics of Aquinas and the 19th Century Catholicism in which he was raised (Pre-Vatican II, and where Vatican I still threw its weight around like a bull in a china shop).

As Movies, the “LotR Trilogy” are masterpieces of Craft and Technology, and of Actors’ casting ad depicting of the characters, if we ignore the issues of appearance of several of those characters.

As a “First Attempt” at depicting Tolkien’s works after the Publication of The History of Middle-earth, and the remaining works exploring those Foundations (where Letters alone should have been sufficient, but when asked about that, Bakshi said he was not even aware they existed, and only learned of The Silmarillion as he was preparing for his version ‚— BTW… He might be doing some updated work on that), Jackson’s work is surprisingly good.

But he still uses the tired, exhausting Hollywood Trope of “You have to change written works if you are going to adapt them for the Screen!”

Really? How is it that any movie EVER has been made, given a script and Direction, Set, and Wardrobe Notes (etc.) are ALL “Written Works.” This Trope came about via Hollywood trying to justify what it did in its early days (BTW, the “Modern Motion Picture,” … with sound… Not yet 100 years old. BARELY 75 years when you look at the evolution of Motion Pictures from 1930 to 1950. WWII really put the supercharger on Production Standards and quality) to the written works of others as an excuse for why they were unwilling to take the time to do faithful adaptations (Reveal: They thought the movie-going Public were stupid, and without a “Love-Interest” any movie would fail utterly).

But during the 1960s and 70s that lie suddenly became the “de facto Truth” for a younger generation of massive egos in Hollywood, who felt in their right to change whatever they did, however they wished.

The director I worked with most often did this too, to another of my favorite works, and when in private (Secret Rules of Hollywood #something: “NEVER talk in front of the Public about ‘these things’.”) I asked about it, he said (to effect) “Only about 1% of the Public where this movie is going to be shown will be familiar with the book. And even 25% of those are going to think “Nazis” when they read about the Authors’ Political Leanings, even if that is wrong.”

I get it… Hollywood was built as a business to make money, and that overriding concern eclipsed everything.

But the 1960s/70s I mentioned above are when Hollywood finally saw enough “Independent Wealth” that Producers and Directors began to make “Vanity Projects” freed from the Studios.

And when Star Wars became a Hit (Close Encounters, Alien, ET, Bladerunner, Aliens, Star Trek The Motion Picture, Star Trek the Wrath of Khan, etc…) Studios began to see that they could afford to take chances on these things.

It is funny that China, Japan, Korea, India, France, Germany, Italy and other such Countries have managed to produce Movies or TV series of written works that are near-verbatim from their sources… Yet the US and other English Speaking Studios still struggle with this.

Although The Wizard of Oz, barring omissions, is pretty freaking close to Baum’s Original. Several Adaptations of Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass have been frighteningly close to Prof Dodgson’s Originals. Two productions (one each) of A Brave New World, and 1984 have been striking examples that Hollywood CAN adapt a work without alteration of crucial details, or alteration at all.

Tolkien’s works stand as a distinction in terms of “fiction” in that Tolkien was attempting to group them with things such as the Nihon Shoki/Kojiki, The Elder Eddas and other Nordic Myths, Kalevala, The Classical Greco-Roman Myths, the Enumina Elish, Epic of Gilgamesh, etc… Or even what we now know as the Older Witnessing/Attestation of The Book.

As such, alterations destroy the intent, and Identity of such works. This is why you will not see Eskimos in Journey Into the West,or the Navaho Diné Bahane’. without a rather substantial outcry over the mutilation of other’s heritage (something that is sadly abused by people who complain of the same thing for something that doesn’t exist¹).

Jackson’s movies might show A Middle-earth, but they certainly do not show THE Middle-earth, of JRR Tolkien.

MB

1. See people who like to make noise about a thing called “The White Race” — there is no such thing. Aside from “race” not existing either.
 
My local cinema put on an all day showing of the LOTR extended trilogy; started at 11 am, finished 11pm, with a ten minute break between each movie...

Been there, done that December 16 2003. It started in the afternoon with an hour break between Fellowship and Two Towers, and a two hour break with free pizza between Two Towers and the midnight showing of Return of the King, which was officially released on December 17th 2003. It was a fun day, especially with the Red Robin bar across the street from the theatre, but see no need to ever repeat it. The last time I tried watching my EE DVDs, I managed to get to the end of Fellowship and gave up. These movies have not aged well.
 
I remember watching The Return of the King in theatre, and my butt start to hurt. and I was thinking: "Will this ever end?", while watching retarded scene with Hobbits jumping in slow motion on the bed, and everybody smiled in some pathetic/idiotic way.
Then the weeding... oh dear God... save me of this torture... then slow return to the Shire, and going to the docks...

Yeah... it wasn't enough time for The Scouring of the Shire...

I was young and naive, thinking that it can not be slower and more dragged then the Aragorn/Arwen scene from Two Towers.
 
I've always had a fairly relaxed attitude to the movies, enjoying them just as almost a form of PJ fan-fiction; I watch the extended editions twice a year or so and enjoy them as much now as I did the very first time I watched them.

I would even be up for a Hobbit trilogy/LOTR trilogy back to back if a cinema ever tried that out!
 
I remember watching The Return of the King in theatre, and my butt start to hurt. and I was thinking: "Will this ever end?",
I felt that way when watching The Two Towers at a friend's house. Even with all the stuff that was left out the film still managed to bore me. And I'd already seen it in the theater but when I saw it again, all the flaws started to show. Aragorn's fake death was particularly irritating.
 
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Also, I have to wonder who Galadriel is narrating to.

Me.
that's how I interpreted it anyway

Is she breaking the fourth wall? 🤔

She could if she wanted to!

ask the masons of Dol Guldur

free pizza

Agreed!

But he still uses the tired, exhausting Hollywood Trope of “You have to change written works if you are going to adapt them for the Screen!”

Amen.

I like David Bratman's response to this in his Summa Jacksonica: A reply to defenses of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings Films, after St. Thomas Aquinas (Tolkien on Film: Essays on Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings, edited by Janet Croft, The Mythopoeic Press, 2004), where he quotes the screenwriter William Goldman's first Law of Filmmaking:

"Nobody knows anything"

And of course, reading David's fuller argument here is best, if anyone's interested. I recommend Janet Croft's contribution as well, where she argues that the filmmaker's handling of a sequence in the Mines of Moria: "shows how Jackson's preference for horror and fight scenes actually reduces tension and suspense."

She titles this section of her work thusly: "[He] may think he knows more about Balrogs than I do, but he cannot expect me to agree with him."

The "he" here is not Jackson, and the "me" is not Janet; but in any case, her essay is titled: Mithril Coats and Tin Ears: "Anticipation" and "Flattening" in Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings Trilogy."

And I think our SES might especially like this one, if he hasn't read it already.
 
I've not, but have long believed PJ read Tolkien's criticisms of Z, and said "Those all sound great! We need to do those!".

And thanks for the recommendation. I added it to the list of "Books to Be Looked for at Yard Sales".
 
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