There are no Svartalfrs in Tolkien's books.So not "white" either.
I'm not an expert either. I just know that Tolkien didn't write about black elves. Speaking about the source, here it is...I'm no expert, but what few references I checked don't seem to indicate "shadows". I'd be interested in the sources for this idea.
Thanks for the link! I'll take my time and look for some more information because the topic is really interesting.This is an anime fandom wiki? I'm not sure I'd place too much trust in it. But here's another wiki source:
No, black elves didnt exist in the Edda, you have understand something wrong. When the Edda was written, Europa was a totally white continent, there was no black people, so the Edda is a book with only white people. Black Elves dont exist, this woke-propaganda in the serie is totally disgusting, and a affront of Tolkiens work.They are described as being "blacker than pitch".
I have only roughly skimmed the rest of this very tedious discussion, but it's obvious that the Middle-earth counterparts of these (often portraied as) evil, dark Svartalfr - if you absolutely want to look for them - are the Orcs. These are described by Tolkien as dark-skinned and are vicious perversions of the (light) elves. (Although he later mused that perhaps they are more likely descended from humans.)
But the Moriquendi elves had no black skin, they had a black soul, that means "Dark elves", in this case i totally agree with you. Eol is an example for a darc Elv, and he had, of course, white skin.I have only roughly skimmed the rest of this very tedious discussion, but it's obvious that the Middle-earth counterparts of these (often portraied as) evil, dark Svartalfr - if you absolutely want to look for them - are the Orcs. These are described by Tolkien as dark-skinned and are vicious perversions of the (light) elves. (Although he later mused that perhaps they are more likely descended from humans.)
But in other fantasy worlds like the Forgotten Realms there would be an even better counterpart, namely the Dark Elves / Drow (Drizzt Do'urden etc.)
But they do not exist in Middle-earth.
Apart from that, Tolkien of course also has the "Elves of the Darkness" / Moriquendi, who are also often referred to as "Dark Elves". Everybody who is familiar with Tolkien knows that this has nothing to do with the color of their skin, but with the fact that these Elves have never seen the light of the Trees of Valinor (especially when there were only stars as light sources in Middle-earth).
As far as lore goes, I would find it halfway acceptable if Amazon plausibly deduced in the series that this Arondir is descended from an Avari tribe that migrated from Cuivienen to Harad very early in prehistory. However, there is no evidence of that in the books. One could imagine it, though, under certain circumstances.
But in the series it's clearly stated that he's a "Silvan Elf", and this makes no sense other than being motivated by modern, political, left-wing reasons like "incluisivity" and "representation".
Then add to that the fact that this black elf has an illicit relationship with a single white mother. And there's also a scene shown where the black elf is chained somewhere with one leg. Could it be any more obvious? (By the way, I would bet that the Numenroic queen will also be cast with a black actress.)
I think politics should be kept out of book adaptations, whether you are pro or con. But here we get a perfidious combination of leftist identity politics and cultural appropriation.
And leaving aside the skin color of the Amazon Elves, even if Arondir was white, he would still look like a modern cosplayer. To a similar extent, our two teenagers Elrond and Galadriel don't look like Middle-earth elves, but like modern humans with attached pointed ears in a more or less good medieval festival / LARP costume. Amazon-Galadriel is also not really Galadriel of Lorien, but rather Galadriel of Orlean aka Joan of Arc (who died with only 19 years).
vs.
Apart from the moronic explosion in the background, as you know it from 90s action movies: These are such striking similarities that I almost really believe they have confused Lorien with Orlean, as it's almost the same letters.
I'd say even Lego Galadriel looks more true to the book.
All in all, these are several factors that destroy immersion. I absolutely don't understand how other people who claim to be Tolkien fans can overlook this. But okay, that's up to you. I just think it's unfair when everyone who sees this critically is immediately called an "istophobe" by the media and in general.
May I draw my conclusions about Svartalfrs? I was wrong when I claimed that their bodies were shadows. However, I still believe that Svartalfrs in the Poetic Edda have white skin as in Old Norse the descriptive term 'black' ("svartr") refers to hair color, not skin color. According to "Academic Dictionaries and Encyclopedias", it is analogous to the English term 'brunette', which always refers to brown hair and never brown skin. Speaking about dwarves, Norse texts describe the skin color of Dvergar as 'pale' ("fölr") like a corpse, while their hair color is 'black' ("svartr").Thanks for the link! I'll take my time and look for some more information because the topic is really interesting.
Here's a little foretaste: Kemen and Carine 🥰 🥰Things have really quieted down across the inter webs about this TV show.
Amazon will probably release another trailer soon to stir up the waddies again.
I'm a shinobi ninja! Everywhere and nowhere! 🏹👥🕶️👨⚖️I thought you went to TORc with those other two censorship-crying ranters?
YouTube videos are certainly primarily about attention and click numbers - just as TV series are about ratings and profit. Basically nothing against it. It gets funny when it suddenly turns to political propaganda at the expense of profit. But okay, some just need a bit longer. So, until the next trailer, let's discuss - as I suggested - linguistic issues. Carine!Anyway, These YouTube videos crack me up. 😅 it’s kind of like rivet-counting in war movies.
What is the French word for "screen"?An elvish name -- for a nonexistent character. Better to address your question to PJ himself, I'd say. 😄
I'll also say that you introduced me to a new word -- though I did know the French word for "screen", I wasn't aware of the critical term. So thanks -- I learn something every day here! 😊
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