Lord of the Rings on Prime Updates (Thanks Varking!)

ZehnWaters · Sep 4, 2022

Ealdwyn said:
I guess it's the difference between a character having a regional accent and the stereotyping of a group with that accent.

Yeah. EVERYONE is going to have an accent it's a matter of how you use it in your work and whether you're trying to say something with it.

Ealdwyn · Sep 4, 2022

ZehnWaters said:
whether you're trying to say something with it.

This

Radaghast · Sep 4, 2022

Aeltel said:
I can honestly say that the Irish accents adopted by Pippin and Merry bothered me more than Gimli as they were used to undermine the English feel of the work and to present the characters as “stupid” (Jackson’s short hand NOT mine - see also the pointless “it comes in pints” stereotype) rather than the rather gentrified air they have in the novel.

I don't hear Irish accents from any of those guys. To my ear, the hobbits have accents close to those the actors use naturally (something like a Manchester accent for Merry and Scottish for Pippin) and Gimli (played by a Welshman) uses a Scottish accent.

Anyway, I saw the episodes at a friend's house and, honestly, I have no idea why I'm supposed to care about any of it or why anyone would think it was good, even the so-called "normies". And from the showrunners' pushing this misconception that Harfoots are Hobbit ancestors to just telling their own (bad) version of the origin of the Rings of Power to the bloated pacing and bad writing, it's just not something I'm interested in following up on, even out of curiosity.

Ent · Sep 4, 2022

Radaghast said:
I saw the episodes at a friend's house and, honestly, I have no idea why I'm supposed to care about any of it or why anyone would think it was good, even the so-called "normies". And from the showrunners' pushing this misconception that Harfoots are Hobbit ancestors to just telling their own (bad) version of the origin of the Rings of Power to the bloated pacing and bad writing, it's just not something I'm interested in following up on, even out of curiosity.

OK thanks for letting us know.
I guess we won't be looking forward to any more commentary from you then.

Ealdwyn · Sep 5, 2022

Aeltel said:
I can honestly say that the Irish accents adopted by Pippin and Merry bothered me more than Gimli as they were used to undermine the English feel of the work and to present the characters as “stupid”(Jackson’s short hand NOT mine

The actors who played Merry and Pippin used their own regional accents, they weren't "adopted" by them. And they weren't Irish. Dominic Monaghan is from Manchester, Billy Boyd is a Scot.

The fact that you percieved this as presenting the characters as "stupid" just confirms what I was saying previously about stereoypes and prejudices against regional accents, particularly northern accents. This is clearly YOUR prejudice, not Jackson's "shorthand". But thanks for proving my point.

As a northern English person, with a northern English accent, it's quite offensive to know that I would be percieved as stupid by you on the basis of my accent alone.

Annatar · Sep 5, 2022

I wonder if it works at all in English to imitate different accents for cinema or television if the actor himself did not grow up in the respective region where the accent is spoken.
In Germany, there are many dialects, and when someone tries to imitate another dialect, it's usually noticed very quickly and comes across as strange, inauthentic and usually quite embarrassing.

Ealdwyn · Sep 5, 2022

Annatar said:
I wonder if it works at all in English to imitate different accents for cinema or television if the actor himself did not grow up in the respective region where the accent is spoken.
In Germany, there are many dialects, and when someone tries to imitate another dialect, it's usually noticed very quickly and comes across as strange, inauthentic and usually quite embarrassing.

Some actors can do it and some can't. The Irish accents in RoP were terrible.

TrollinSun · Sep 8, 2022

Ealdwyn said:
The actors who played Merry and Pippin used their own regional accents, they weren't "adopted" by them. And they weren't Irish. Dominic Monaghan is from Manchester, Billy Boyd is a Scot.

The fact that you percieved this as presenting the characters as "stupid" just confirms what I was saying previously about stereoypes and prejudices against regional accents, particularly northern accents. This is clearly YOUR prejudice, not Jackson's "shorthand". But thanks for proving my point.

As a northern English person, with a northern English accent, it's quite offensive to know that I would be percieved as stupid by you on the basis of my accent alone.

In the words of Clarkson, I'm just a stewpid american but why is a northern english person offended for scots and irish?

ZehnWaters · Sep 8, 2022

Annatar said:
I wonder if it works at all in English to imitate different accents for cinema or television if the actor himself did not grow up in the respective region where the accent is spoken.
In Germany, there are many dialects, and when someone tries to imitate another dialect, it's usually noticed very quickly and comes across as strange, inauthentic and usually quite embarrassing.

People faking Southern (American southeast) accents usually doesn't come off either.

Ealdwyn · Sep 9, 2022

TrollinSun said:
In the words of Clarkson, I'm just a stewpid american but why is a northern english person offended for scots and irish?

Because we all suffer similar prejudice and discrimination on the basis of accent

Squint-eyed Southerner · Sep 15, 2022

Berzelmayr · Sep 18, 2022

Review at forbes.com:

I’ve come to a sad realization: The creators of Amazon’s The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power know how to create spectacle, but they don’t know how to tell a good story.

There it is, scrawled in blood on the wall. The writers and showrunners responsible for this show could have won me over with good fan-fiction. They could have tossed Tolkien’s lore onto a bonfire and I’d have been perfectly happy if they’d simply crafted an enjoyable story with characters I care about.

‘The Rings Of Power’ Has Inexplicably Terrible Writing

The Rings Of Power is all spectacle and no substance, an expensive show that skimped on the script and is paying the consequences. If things don't change fast, people will start tuning out.

www.forbes.com

Halasían · Sep 18, 2022

Squint-eyed Southerner said:

↑ Remember when Varking used to post here? Instead, most all we seem to get here is this crap ↓

Berzelmayr said:
Review at forbes.com:

‘The Rings Of Power’ Has Inexplicably Terrible Writing

The Rings Of Power is all spectacle and no substance, an expensive show that skimped on the script and is paying the consequences. If things don't change fast, people will start tuning out.

www.forbes.com

(puts the ladle down)

Squint-eyed Southerner · Sep 18, 2022

Well, views pro, con, and neutral are welcome here -- as long as the rules are followed, of course.

Halasían · Sep 18, 2022

Squint-eyed Southerner said:
Well, views pro, con, and neutral are welcome here -- as long as the rules are followed, of course.

Of course. 😅

Ugluk · Sep 18, 2022

Halasían said:
↑ Remember when Varking used to post here? Instead, most all we seem to get here is this crap ↓

(puts the ladle down)

What's wrong with it?

Elthir · Sep 19, 2022

Which Em(m)a is in this show again?

ZehnWaters · Sep 19, 2022

Elthir said:
Which Em(m)a is in this show again?

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Oh, she does kinda look like a young Emma Watson. I miss when Emma Watson put effort into her performances.

Berzelmayr said:
There it is, scrawled in blood on the wall. The writers and showrunners responsible for this show could have won me over with good fan-fiction. They could have tossed Tolkien’s lore onto a bonfire and I’d have been perfectly happy if they’d simply crafted an enjoyable story with characters I care about.

I mean...I enjoyed The Hobbit films so I suppose that's true.

Olorgando · Sep 19, 2022

Ugluk said:
Halasían said:

↑ Remember when Varking used to post here? Instead, most all we seem to get here is this crap↓

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What's wrong with it?

I read the Forbes article and second Ugluk's question. The article has nothing to do with the hate-spewing filth that I detest at least as much as you do ...

Ugluk · Sep 19, 2022

Olorgando said:
I read the Forbes article and second Ugluk's question. The article has nothing to do with the hate-spewing filth that I detest at least as much as you do ...

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