Sam and Frodo- Osgiliath Tearjerker

[Gilthoniel]

I was just reminded of this by some one's sig, i think it might be Lamarievenstar's but I think that one of the most powerful bits in TTT, (the film, it's not in the book) is when Sam and Frodo are in Osgiliath, and Sam is talking about the great tales, and why they are so great. And while he's speaking, you see scenes of destruction, evil and fighting, yet in the midst, love, goodness, and victory. Then Frodo asks something along the lines of:

What are we fighting for, Sam?

And Sam replys:

That there's some good in the world, and that it's worth holding onto.

it broke me down to tears, and i'm not ashamed to admit it.

does neone agree wit me? Or does anyone else have a fave poignant moment? If so tell!

 

[Mike]

Actually, I laughed during that moment. I always laugh at inapropriate times during movies.

The whole Sam-speech-sob-montage thing didn't work for me. I thought it was just a lame attempt to provide a "dramatic tearjerking end" to a story that wasn't finished. Then they moved into anti-climax, even though ROTK was supposed to be the climax.

So I laughed at this "emotional injection", so to speak.

 

[Sindacollo]

I hate the whole 'Frodo in Osgiliath' part. Sam was right though, when he said: ''By rights we shouldn’t even be here.''

They shouldn't be in Osgiliath, bad change in the storyline.

 

[Niirewen]

Well, I thought it was sad. But that's just me.

 

[Elorendil]

I found that to be a very moving scene. I rarely cry, even in real life, but still had a tear or two slide down my cheeks in the theater. Even Gollum was moved a bit by Sam's speech. I think this was a very beautiful moment in the movie, and very well acted.

 

[Hobbit-queen]

I broke like the moon from the Earth. My face was one giant stream of salty wetness during that scene. It was a lot worse at the very end of the RotK, though. In the scene where Frodo was saying goodbye to the other hobbits......I still cry!

 

[Narsil]

I hate the whole 'Frodo in Osgiliath' part. Sam was right though, when he said: ''By rights we shouldn’t even be here.''

Hey! That's the BEST line in the movie! I crack up every time I hear that! It's almost like PJ was spoofing himself by putting that in.

I hate the part where they go to Osgiliath. Sam's speech just irritates me at that point. I agree with Mike. I think it was a lame attempt to provide a moving climax to the movie. It was almost like PJ was wringing his hands saying "What should we do NOW? Yes! Have Sam do a moving speech!"

It's not that the speech was bad but that it was badly placed. Had it been someplace else in the movie I might've been moved by it but it doesn't do anything for me where it is. I still think Shelob should've been the ending, just like in the book. Yes, I've heard the rationale about timelines but I don't agree nonetheless.

So when I see that part of the movie I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head.

 

[Corvis]

I remember reading in Sean Astin's book that he was in his hotel room in his bathrobe when he first got the script of that scene in the two towers. And when he read it he cried himself and called up PJ and Fran Walsh to thank them for writing such a beautiful scene.

 

[Mike]

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[eledhel11]

Stop picking on Frodo and Sam!!!!!! I loved that part, and yes, it made me cry. Its cool, its emotional, and its right. I agree that they're not supposed to be in Osgiliath, because that's true. But there is more to it. The speech is simply saying that they seem so small and insignificant, so it is almost unimaginable that it all would depend on them, and its a big burden for both of them, especially Frodo. But Sam knows that if they keep trying and fight for what is right, they can do it. I have to leave, but I will tell more later.

 

[Corvis]

I'm glad so many cried during this part of the movie, it was a beautiful scene which I think touched everyone. Just remeber what Gandalf said in the ROTK, "I would say do not weep. For not all tears are an evil."

 

[Barliman Butterbur]

For some it's embarrassing to show the appropriate emotion. So they display an inappropriate one. For others, their cynicism prevents them from appreciating emotions that are rarely displayed in our oh-so-macho society.

And as for a statement such as, There's good in the world, and it's worth fighting for — the thing about a platitude is that it contains profound and obvious truth. Otherwise it wouldn't be a platitude.

Barley

 

[Arthur_Vandelay]

For some it's embarrassing to show the appropriate emotion. So they display an inappropriate one. For others, their cynicism prevents them from appreciating emotions that are rarely displayed in our oh-so-macho society.

While I broadly agree with this sentiment (pardon the pun), I don't think it invalidates Mike's comment re: "The whole Sam-speech-sob-montage thing." I also felt that the "tearjerking" moments are at times over-the-top--in a way that makes me look back with fond memories at the (by comparison) more reserved novel--or just plain inappropriate, like Arwen's weeping over Frodo at the Ford of Bruinen. IMHO this is a major weakness of the New Line films. The last half-an-hour or so of ROTK is, for mine, almost unwatchable. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Barliman Butterbur]

...The last half-an-hour or so of ROTK is, for mine, almost unwatchable. But maybe that's just me.

It's prolly you. As for me, I was grabbing for the industrial-size Kleenex box, and so was just about everyone sitting around me. Frankly, I enjoy a good cry at the movies every now and then! And now that I have all the DVDs at home, I can really let go "in the privacy of my own home"!

Barley

 

[Ingwë]

About this moment I would say 'Moments of majesty' I love hearing such dialoques. Maybe it is a bit comical in the 21st century but it is great. But sometimes I ask myself Why Peter Jackson put this moment in the Trilogy? I think he wanted to say that Frodo the Ring bearer falls under the shadow of the Ring, that Samwise Gamgee is a friend who can help Frodo in that journey. In Osgiliath Faramir son of Denethor leave Frodo and Sam away and that show us that the Men are valiant and still there is hope in the Men.

Gandalf says (when he talks to Elrond in Rivendell) 'Our hope is in the Men' or something like that. .

 

[Narsil]

The last half-an-hour or so of ROTK is, for mine, almost unwatchable. But maybe that's just me.

I'm not one to cry at movies but tears did well up when I watched the scene at the Grey Havens. It was tough saying goodbye.

 

[Greenwood]

I saw ROTK on opening night with two friends, one of whom had never read the books but had seen the first two films. Before the movie started I handed the friend unfamiliar with the books a large wad of tissues and said: "You are going to need these." She spent most of the last hour of the film dabbing at her eyes. I got a bit misty a few times myself.