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The Elessar

I only acnowledged it, i didnt want to ruin such a beautiful post- one with such potential!
 
Who give the Elessar to Gladriel Celebrimbor (Yes the Rings creator) or Olorìn (Yes Gandalf-Mithrandir-Tharkûn-Incánus)? How many Elessar there is one or two? Who create it Enerdhil or Celebrimbor?

C'mon let's continue this thread!!

somewhere it's written that Enerdhil from Gondolin make the Elessar to contain the sunshine. After the fall of gondolin he give it to Ëarendil and Idril.
Somewhere else it's written that Celebrimbor make it at Gondolin and than give it to Ëarendil who (in both cases) bring it to Aman.

Than Olorìn give it back to Galadriel during the 2nd Age because she couldn't go back to Aman yet and he wanted to proof the Valar forgiveness.

And somewhere else it's written that Celebrimbor tried to make another Elessar for Galadriel (either if it's him or Enerdhil who build the first)cause he wanted her, he loved her.

Do you have something more?
 
Im afraid i do not know the answer to these questions, but i think i beleive the one of galadriel and valar forgiveness. Alas, my knowledge on the subject is limmited to Aragorns name change after he recalimed Eraidor
 
somewhere it's written that Enerdhil from Gondolin make the Elessar to contain the sunshine. After the fall of gondolin he give it to Ëarendil and Idril.
I think that you referer to the Essay called The Elessar from UT:
How did it return to ME then?
There is another version of the Second Elessar.
Of course there are problems with this version. How did Celebrimbor get to Gondolin? It is highly unlikely that after the sack of Nargothrond that he could have gone to Gondolin and actully found the entrance and dwell among Turgon.
So, I think it's safe to assume that Enerdhil is to be discarded and to make that Celebrimbor was the maker of both gems, but the problem is how to reconcile the fact that Celebrimbor was a smith in Gondolin. Certainly one of his status would have not gone unmentioned in the Quenta.
 
The story of the Elessar and its connection to Galadriel, has always fascinated me. Both are amazing in their own ways:

- The first one because of the long road that the stone has travelled and the many great people that held it (Enerdhil,Idril,Eärendil,Yavanna!!,Olorin and Galadriel)
Also because Olorin brought it to Galadriel as a token of pardon from the Valar and the sign of hope for the race of men.

Question: How come the Elessar ended up in Yavanna's hands? Why not one of the other Valar?

- The second because of Celebrimbor's love for Galadriel (and the fact that he made a marvellous jewel for her out of affection)

So which version is more likely to be true? Tolkien never made a definite decision so let's speculate.
Maedhros,I do not understand why you think Enerdhil can be so easily discarded. IMO,there is not enough proof either way.
I'm looking forward to an interesting discussion (hopefully the thread won't fall into oblivion)!
 

It's rarely safe to assume

Years later some rambler might ramble that he thinks "we" (me) should "better" plug Enerdhil back in to the conception where there was only one Elessar stone...

... keeping Celebrimbor in the conception where there were two Elessar stones, given both tales are, in my opinion, meant to have existed in the legendarium, no matter which is true.

I know what JRRT wrote at the end of the account (replace Enerdhil), but I think he possibly wrote this direction before he imagined Celebrimbor as a Feanorean, adding this detail only to the revised second edition of The Lord of the Rings in the 1960s.

Anyway your seeming question (what to make of Celebrimbor the Feanorean in Gondolin) is natural enough in my opinion, so as I say, I mentally ignore this end note and pop Enerdhil back in, keeping Celebrimbor for the second scenario.

That's my take. I might only wait (roughly) 15 years for your possible reply though.

 
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