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The Nature of Evil in Middle-earth

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This is basically an exercise to try and assign 'Dungeons & Dragons' alignments to evil characters in the legendarium. Morgoth is probably clearly chaotic evil, though may also exhibit lawful evil tendencies (for example he commands armies), while Sauron may be described as Lawful evil. Their various minions might be either chaotic or lawful depending on certain factors. Orcs are chaotic evil (their being uniformly evil is a whole issue by itself) when not serving the Dark Lords or not. The Nazgûl are lawful evil whether or not they're serving Sauron, I would say.

Then there are the characters who are clearly neutral evil, namely Smaug, Ungoliant and Shelob. Actually, it might be argued or at least wondered whether these two should logically be considered evil at all. Ungoliant feeds on light and thus helps kill the Two Trees. But, as a living being, albeit with an unusual diet, is she not merely doing this out of self-preservation? Is it her fault she is the way she is? I don't think it was ever determined where she comes from; in any case, wouldn't the fault ultimately lie with Eru? Shelob's evil is even more questionable. The text says she is evil but what does she do that qualifies her as such? Killing and eating things? This applies to any carnivorous animal in the wild. There isn't really any difference, though the text may use words such as 'lust' (e.g., 'she lusted for sweeter meat'). Put another way, what threat does she pose to anyone or anything outside of the pass of Cirith Ungol. It's my feeling that she is evil because the plot requires it, i.e. if she weren't evil the Phial of Galadriel would logically not affect her.

Anyway, just musing out loud.
 
I definitely agree with the Nazgûl being lawful evil. Can confirm. We like for things to be neatly evil. 😆

It's difficult for me to say what all the evil LOTR characters belong to because my natural instinct is to say "we did nothing wrong" (just kidding, lol), but from a truly objective point of view I'd agree with your opinion(s), OP. I've also struggled with how to interpret Shelob, by the way.
 
I think of Ungoliant as a by-product of the Discord of the Music of the Ainur. Doesn't mean that she is, but I definitely do not fault Ilúvatar for her being. As for why He allowed Ungoliant to exist, well, with free will comes the choice to obey Ilúvatar or not. Ilúvatar does not force anyone to obey Him, and yet Ilúvatar is not thwarted in His purposes by unsubservient choosers of evil. Such is the incredible part about the sovereignty of the One.
 
In terms of Tolkien's "Elements of Religion", I believe Ungoliant is his representation of the issue the Darkness is always trying to overcome the light.

"And the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it."

In Tolkien's mythology, it's simply embodied. In the end, 'according to legend', it runs out of food and feeds on/eats itself. this too has its representation in other religious backdrops, with regard to evil.

Thinking on this, we can see a little better I think how to relate to Shelob in some respects.
I will say no more.
 
This is basically an exercise. . .

Nah. Maybe later though.

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I think of Ungoliant as a by-product of the Discord of the Music of the Ainur. Doesn't mean that she is, but I definitely do not fault Ilúvatar for her being. As for why He allowed Ungoliant to exist, well, with free will comes the choice to obey Ilúvatar or not. Ilúvatar does not force anyone to obey Him, and yet Ilúvatar is not thwarted in His purposes by unsubservient choosers of evil. Such is the incredible part about the sovereignty of the One.

Well, maybe fault is the wrong word. Maybe credit would be more apt:
'...And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.’
  • "The Music of the Ainur"
Whether she is "one of those that he corrupted to [Melkor's] service" or not, she has to be considered something that was meant as an alteration to the music but that ultimately lends itself to the "devising of things more wonderful". And this proves true because her feeding on the Two Trees ultimately leads to the creation of the Sun and Moon.

On a smaller scale, her daughter Shelob, even though she is merely a predator given evil trappings, actually, in a way, contributes to the success of the Quest.
 
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In terms of Tolkien's "Elements of Religion", I believe Ungoliant is his representation of the issue the Darkness is always trying to overcome the light.

"And the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not overcome it."

In Tolkien's mythology, it's simply embodied. In the end, 'according to legend', it runs out of food and feeds on/eats itself. this too has its representation in other religious backdrops, with regard to evil.

Thinking on this, we can see a little better I think how to relate to Shelob in some respects.
I will say no more.
To me she seems more like a force of nature (in which darkness is not the opposite of light but the absence of it). In the legendarium, she does seem to embody darkness but even there she keeps to herself until Morgoth tempts her with the offer of delicacies.
 
I remember reading in the Silmarillion that it was thought that Ungoliant had been corrupted to Melkor's service during the Music of the Ainur. So not definite, but it was what the Elves believed.
If that's the case, it makes sense that Melkor knew where to find her after she went her own way, in order to convince her to help him.
It also said that Melkor had been weakened after the theft of the Silmarils, since he had poured his own power into Ungoliant, presumably to give her the strength to confound even the Valar pursuing her. She had the particular abilities needed (creating darkness, consuming vast quantities of light), but Morgoth had the raw strength to support them.

I don't have my book with me right now, but if you re-read the part of the Silmarillion with Ungoliant, you should find what I'm referring to.
 
I remember reading in the Silmarillion that it was thought that Ungoliant had been corrupted to Melkor's service during the Music of the Ainur. So not definite, but it was what the Elves believed.
If that's the case, it makes sense that Melkor knew where to find her after she went her own way, in order to convince her to help him.
It also said that Melkor had been weakened after the theft of the Silmarils, since he had poured his own power into Ungoliant, presumably to give her the strength to confound even the Valar pursuing her. She had the particular abilities needed (creating darkness, consuming vast quantities of light), but Morgoth had the raw strength to support them.

I don't have my book with me right now, but if you re-read the part of the Silmarillion with Ungoliant, you should find what I'm referring to.
I don't recall where it says he poured his own power into Ungoliant. She gained size and power from drinking the light of the Trees.
 
It's mentioned later on, after they both have fled Valinor. The gaining power from the light of the trees did also happen though.
You probably mean the part in chapter 9 "The Flight of the Noldor", page 85, where Ungoliant demanded "all the jewels of the Noldor that were hoarded in {Formeos}" (how he transported them is something JRRT never described), and Ungoliant increased in size upon feeding on them. She also wanted the Silmarils, but was thwarted in this point. Nothing to do with Morgoth pouring any of his own power into Ungoliant, on the contrary, he wanted to be rid of her.
 
Of the Flight of the Noldor:
In his right hand Morgoth held close the Silmarils, and though they were locked in a crystal casket, they had begun to burn him, and his hand was clenched in pain; but he would not open it. 'Nay!' he said. 'Thou hast had thy due. For with my power that I put into thee thy work was accomplished. I need thee no more. These things thou shalt not have, not see. I name them unto myself for ever.'
 
An older thread discussing the natures of Ungoliant and Shelob:
 
Of the Flight of the Noldor: In his right hand Morgoth held close the Silmarils, and though they were locked in a crystal casket, they had begun to burn him, and his hand was clenched in pain; but he would not open it. 'Nay!' he said. 'Thou hast had thy due. For with my power that I put into thee thy work was accomplished. I need thee no more. These things thou shalt not have, not see. I name them unto myself for ever.'
Yeah, that's the quote. Basically a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type of line. I wonder if Tolkien just forgot to say what this meant. When Melkor first recruits Ungoliant it is she who wraps them both in darkness. Nothing I could find that says he gives her any power.
 
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This is basically an exercise to try and assign 'Dungeons & Dragons' alignments to evil characters in the legendarium. Morgoth is probably clearly chaotic evil, though may also exhibit lawful evil tendencies (for example he commands armies), while Sauron may be described as Lawful evil. Their various minions might be either chaotic or lawful depending on certain factors. Orcs are chaotic evil (their being uniformly evil is a whole issue by itself) when not serving the Dark Lords or not. The Nazgûl are lawful evil whether or not they're serving Sauron, I would say.

Then there are the characters who are clearly neutral evil, namely Smaug, Ungoliant and Shelob. Actually, it might be argued or at least wondered whether these two should logically be considered evil at all. Ungoliant feeds on light and thus helps kill the Two Trees. But, as a living being, albeit with an unusual diet, is she not merely doing this out of self-preservation? Is it her fault she is the way she is? I don't think it was ever determined where she comes from; in any case, wouldn't the fault ultimately lie with Eru? Shelob's evil is even more questionable. The text says she is evil but what does she do that qualifies her as such? Killing and eating things? This applies to any carnivorous animal in the wild. There isn't really any difference, though the text may use words such as 'lust' (e.g., 'she lusted for sweeter meat'). Put another way, what threat does she pose to anyone or anything outside of the pass of Cirith Ungol. It's my feeling that she is evil because the plot requires it, i.e. if she weren't evil the Phial of Galadriel would logically not affect her.

Anyway, just musing out loud.


The Dungeons & Dragons alignments were created on the mistaken assumption that The Lord of the Rings, and connected works, were attached to the same Genre as the Sword & Sorcery epics of Howard, Dunsany, Lieber, Stafford, Moorcock, etc.

There is no “Law” and “Chaos” in Eä, which contains Arda, which contains Middle-earth.

Law and Chaos are pre/post-Abrahamic Theologican and Cosmological Concepts that just don’t exist AS Law or AS Chaos within Tolkien’s Mythology and Cosmology.

While Judaism preserves them in a small fashion, as the small-l, small-c, ‘law’ and ‘chaos,’ these distinctions are erased in the Catholic Theology of Tolkien and the Catholic Church pre-dating that.

In Catholicism, there can be no chaos that is connected to God, Good, and thus ‘Law.” The Christian Catholic God IS LAW(Logos — The Word of God is Law — OR, more accurately, “The word of God IS.” Maybe with a “… Period.” Added for emphasis).

And Evil is Chaos, inseparable and unified, because of the falseness and bad-faith of everything connected to the Satanic Aspects of Evil. Lord of Lies, the Deciever, etc. Those are also synonyms for the Chaos surrounding “Evil” in Catholic and Christian Theology due to the uncertainty, unpredictable nature of Evil.

Howard, Dunsany, etc. in basing their worlds upon a Pre-Christian, Pagan world were rejecting the Christian Theology and Cosmology as applying to their worlds.

Thus, Good and Evil were beside the point. The Existential Issue of these Universes WAS AND IS EXISTENCE. Upon which Law and Chaos is vastly more relevant than “good” or “evil.”

Law and Chaos MUST REMAIN IN BALANCE FOR EXISTENCE TO CONTINUE.

For either to prevail means NOTHING IS POSSIBLE.

If “Law” Prevails Wholly: The Universe becomes Uniform, Unchanging forever, any one spot in it at any point in time is indistinguishable forever (The end of Entropy — Matter and Energy are fully diffuse everywhere. Nothing moves as a result, nothing changes. The Universe is at its Highest Entropy, Lowest Energy State).

If “Chaos” Prevails Wholly: The Universe also becomes effectively Uniform. Everywhere in the Universe is in a constant state of change from the smallest instant to the next. Time even if unhinged, with no point in the Universe existing at the same point in time, even. This means nothing can change in the universe, because nothing ever stays consistent enough for known, necessary relationships to form to cause ”Intentional and Intensional Events” (Things caused for a reason, by someone for a given goal). But this implies any “Intent or Intension” CAN EXIST here. Because Chaos Prevails wholly, no intent can exist, because conscious minds are not possible.

As mentioned, these are effectively Uniform because both allow perfect Prediction of any point in the universe, and the consequences:

Nothing happens anywhere in either Universe.

The “Good” and “Evil” of the D&D System was tacked on by Gygax and Arneson because it matters to people living in the world what you intend to do in support of either “Law” or “Chaos.”

And in those systems, Law tended to become more associated with “Good” than did Chaos simply because the latter does not bode well for INTENTION OR INTENSION.

I.e. Things people do for a reason to cause some specific result.

Chaos doesn’t lend itself to forming stable Intent nor Intension, because the Chaotic Good’s Intent might change wholly, and become totally incompatible with a later act and desired goal or meaning.

Neutrality in this sense was kind of lost on most of the Sword & Sorcery Genre prior to Moorock and Lieber, where Dunsany understood it, but refused to interact much with others, such as Howard and Lovecraft who disagreed fiercely over “Neutrality.”

Neutrality is SUPPOSED to be about maintaining the Law/Chaos Balance; Maintaining Existence.

Not about the kind of False Neutrality seen today where people assume such stances demand no opinions on things. Protecting Existence demands an opinion about all manner of things, and favoring Law or Chaos (Good or Evil are really irrelevant to it).

But in publications in the late-70s and Early-1980s, in the Gaming Industry Associated with Role Playing Games, such as The Dragon, The Space Gamer (If anyone wishes, I can get Steve to get me some of the articles on this subject that were never published because of his partner at Metagaming), or GW/Citadel’s The White Dwarf we saw this finally explained after people like Greg Stafford (who was the authority on this sort of thing, having built Glorantha specifically to demonstrate that Good and Evil MUST TAKE A SIDE in the Law/Chaos conflict, because of their respective intents.

“Good MUST PREFERENCE EXISTENCE. Meaning that it will slightly favor Law, which favors a rules-based-system to maintain existence.”

“Evil MUST PREFERENCE CHAOS. Because of the desire to Dominate is easier when others cannot predict your actions and near-term Goals”

Notice the difference in the preference of the two? Good Preferences the State of the Universe. Evil Preferences both that State and controlling it..

Nothing in Middle-earth has a “Law” or “Chaos” alignment akin to D&D.

And by Church Theology it would likely be blasphemy to suggest it, given Dei Logos === The Law (the symbol “===“, or others like it: “≡” or “≣”, means “Is the exact same thing, without difference or other” i.e… “This Car === The VW Sirocco I owned in 1982” That means “It isn’t a random VW Sirocco from 1982 that is the same color with the same features.” But THE VW Sirocco I owned in 1982).

Suggesting God has any amount of change or “chaos” is damnable, Horribly so. Without absolution for most of Church History… You say that and you’ve just guaranteed a spot in one of Satan’s mouth’s alongside Judas and the others he’s sucking on (or maybe frozen closest to the most unpleasant spot at the other end of Satan, past which all Penitents must pass to reach Purgatory). Although I suspect you’d get a chance for absolution by submitting to one of the Auto de Fe on offer, must like tests for Witchcraft guaranteed to kill you in the process.

Exploring the idea is one we did back prior to people like Stafford, Moorock, and others smacking us kids up the side of the head (or in Moorcock’s case, punching me in the face — I earned it, and he was right). They weren’t the only ones, even if they were the only ones who really were interested in exploring what Tolkien actually believed and how it affected The Nature of Middle-earth (hmmm… You think there might be a reason for that work being titlesd that).

But ultimately that exploration must arrive at the same conclusion that people like Darwin did when exploring things like Spontaneous Production:

Reject it.

MB

And for the inevitable passive aggressive whiners. I am sorry you are upset (only at the desire to find offense, really), but maybe instead of your indignant “How dare you!” You maybe look into some of the above and offer an actual substantive response to it, rather than being offended at being offended.

Yeah, that's the quote. Basically a blink-and-you'll-miss-it type of line. I wonder if Tolkien just forgot to say what this meant. When Melkor first recruits Ungoliant it is she who wraps them both in darkness. Nothing I could find that says he gives her any power.
“Power” doesn’t mean what people keep using it to mean.

Karl Hostetter goes into that a bit. Tolkien in other places in Letters.

It means “Authority” and little else. But in Catholic Theology (See Aquinas’ Metaphysics) having “Authority/Power” is a freaking big deal, even if that “Power/Authority” is usurped wrongfully, stolen, etc.

Having the “Authority” to do something means it is harder for others to rightfully stop you.

And for people whom having the “Right” to do something is central to their being… That makes is rather powerful, before a person who is using a Usurped Authority/Power even brings to bear things Tolkien refers to as “Might” (Physical, and Spiritual Strength, or Armies and others they have “Authority/Power” over).

BTW… The “Blink-and-you’ll-miss-it type of line.”

Pretty much every sentence of Letters, and HoM-e is one of those.

Which is why Hostetter opens and repeats so often the phrase from p. x of The Preface of The History of Middle-earth, Vol X: Morgoth’s Ring:

Meditating long on the world that he had brought into being and was now in part unveiled, he had become absorbed in analytic speculation concerning its underlying postulates. Before he could prepare a new and final Silmarillion he must satisfy the requirements of a coherent theological and metaphysical system, rendered now more complex in its presentation by the supposition of obscure and conflicting elements in its roots and its tradition.


Literally the opening words of the Forward of The Nature of Middle-earth.

He opens with this because it means “Tolkien was pursuing something here which he told us already was a “Fundamentally Catholic/Christian” work, where he also tells us he is pursuing “Theology” and “Metaphysics” (That means Catholic Theology and Metaphysics, which in Tolkien’s day meant having t9 get permission from your priest to pursue those subjects, beginning with the Aquinas Tolkien was already familiar with due to it being required in several of his Grade School and University Coursework. But it also means going back to Augustine, Boethius, Origen, Procopius, and the others of the 2nd to 4th Centuries, before going through everything that gave rise to Aquinas’ Unification of Plato and Aristotle — which technically failed, but that is an issue for Philosophy and Modern Sciences, where Theology will always be playing catch-up).

And the “Blink-and-you-miss-it” parts are so numerous because of the loaded religious terms that modern readers are not aware of the early-20th Century Significance. A good example is the word “Kinds” when discussing people, animals, or plants — Life.

Go watch Inheret the Wind about the Snopes Monkey Trials, in which William J Bryant will use this word exactly as Tolkien does a few times. It is relevant to Pre-Vatican II Catholicism, where Catholicism accepted Biological Evolution as a method of Creation (Tolkien was revolted at this), as a means of Signalling “Created Life” — such as the Miröanwi of Middle-earth — and of the means of creation, and of what is and isn’t possible within the Universe for that Life, with the signal that it is another Dei Logos (Word of God), and thus Law of the Universe.

Any Theology is painfully specific and carrying loaded language like that, as are the Sciences, even if the latter have a Generalizability lacking in the former.

MB

Well, maybe fault is the wrong word. Maybe credit would be more apt:

Whether she is "one of those that he corrupted to [Melkor's] service" or not, she has to be considered something that was meant as an alteration to the music but that ultimately lends itself to the "devising of things more wonderful". And this proves true because her feeding on the Two Trees ultimately leads to the creation of the Sun and Moon.

On a smaller scale, her daughter Shelob, even though she is merely a predator given evil trappings, actually, in a way, contributes to the success of the Quest.
Ungoliant, and Bombadil both are a product of the Music.

They are spirits akin to those of the Rivers, Mountains, and other “Parts” of Arda for which a Consciousness arose to “know itself.” (Temet Nosce).

Ungoliant is a part of the Discord, Melkor seeking to force the Creation to spawn things he can use. Bombadil simply Arda asking “Who am I?”

Both are included to show that Eru pulls all strings, controls all outcomes, and accounted for it already.

MB
 
As a possibly interesting aside -- for anyone “far from HOME” -- a bit of external history here:

The words quoted above (and below in this post), although obviously from The Silmarillion, actually "go with" the scenario as written in the Later Quenta Silmarillion (LQSII), published in Morgoth's Ring.

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1977 Silmarillion: Melkor finds Ungoliant in a mountain cleft where her dark nets of gloom have blocked out the light to her abode "and she was famished" -- Melkor and Ungoliant plot together, but Ungoliant is torn between lust and great fear, and "she would not stir from her hiding".

Melkor then persuades her with the promise that if she still hungers when all is done, then he'll give her whatever her lust may demand -- Ungoliant then weaves a cloak of darkness about them (when they set forth), and they ultimately ascend Hyarmentir where Melkor sees the shining domes of Valmar. Then the Dark Lord laughs aloud and leaps swiftly down the slopes with Ungo at his side.

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Later Quenta Silmarillion II: Ungoliant lives in a ravine – she’d spun her dark nets of gloom but
now she's "famished, and in great torment" and “she had no longer the strength or will to depart”. She sees Melkor coming and is afraid, and shrinking into her deepest lair she tries to shroud herself in new shadow "but such darkness as in her famine she could weave was no defence against the eyes of Melkor."

Then Melkor says he's brought her "an earnest of greater bounty to follow" but yet Ungoliant retreats deeper into the cloven rock – angered, Melko tells Ungo that she'll serve him or he'll bury
her and “under black stone though shalt wither into naught.”

More cool eye-stuff follows: "Then suddenly he held up in his hands two shining gems. They were green, and in that lightless place they reflected the dreadful light of his eyes, as if some ravening beast had come hunting there"

Melkor withholds the lure, calling them “Elvish sweets” and states that “they are to strengthen thee, when thou has agreed to do my bidding." Revenge is plotted, but Ungoliant is still torn, fearing the eyes of Manwe and Varda more -- but Melkor gives her the first two gems, and others he had stolen from Valinor.

For SES and any eye-mention lovers (despite my choice of small text in grey colour), in Myths Transformed text VI, Morgoth's Ring, at one point in the history anyway, JRRT notes that Melkor: "has now less personal force than Manwe, and can no longer daunt him with his gaze."

Anyway, finding new strength, Ungoliant weaves a cloak of darkness about herself, climbs mount Hyarmentir, and rests -- and with eyes faint from labour, she sees the glimmer of the stars in the
dome of Varda and the radiance of Valmar far away -- her lust increases and overcomes her fear,
and Melkor goes down to the shore and curses the sea.

Other stuff happens (Melkor is absent when the Two Trees are slain) but the point is this, and merely this, that the following words. . .

"Nay!' he said. "Thou hast had thy due. For with my power that I put into thee thy work was accomplished. I need thee no more. These things thou shalt not have, nor see. I name them unto myself for ever."

"But Ungoliant had grown great, and he less by the power that had gone out of him; and she rose against him, and. . ."
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. . . "go with" the LQSII version, under the heading Of the Thieves' Quarrel.

In previous descriptions, there's a mention of a thieves' quarrel, but however one interprets things, the 1977 Silmarillion is here basically a mix of this new writing with an older scenario.

Oh. And note the dome of Varda, 'cause the Sun already existed. Ahem.

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