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The visual of Tolkien's "good" and "evil"

This is where I like quotes, could you point me to the articles?

Why should I provide quotes at the whims of others? "Quote here" - "Don't quote here". Bloody ridiculous.

Here's the quotes you're after; and the only reason I'm doing this is because you're insinuating that my conclusions are unsubstantiated:

  1. The Nose and the Rose
  2. Diseased Woman Smells Like Fish
  3. Worms know bad food when they smell it
There are lots more; why don't you go get the quotes yourself?
 
There are lots more; why don't you go get the quotes yourself?

You are a college student, you should know how it works! (though things are different perhaps between law and science) When you're stating (or going farther to correct someone like you did with) bold claims like yours they have to be substantiated or they are 100% meaningless and it's your burden to provide peer-reviewed references. Otherwise you're trying to shoot someone down with hot air and are at risk of plagiarism. I don't mean to say that this board should be any more formal than it is, but if you are trying to share and not bully with science it should be good science. Did you know it's true that 93.7% of statistics are made up on the spot?


I didn't mean to make it seem like I was calling you out, from my perspective it's a pretty funny issue because I have to deal with that stuff every week and thought you'd understand and maybe get a kick out of it being in school
 

It's definitely the same in Law. But do not think I misunderstand science. I'm doing two degrees, a double. Bachelor of Law and Mathematical and Computer Sciences to be exact. What a mouthful...


Now one thing I would never do is plagiarise. It is completely against my morals and values, not to mention utterly repugnant to academia. Plagiarism is simply a blantant demonstration of lack of creativity. Whilst I'm no olfactory expert; I do (well used to) read a few scientific journals. I'm very interested in developments in Quantum Theory. Problem is no-one ever seems to get anywhere with it... it's all theory. As for that statistic, you're just making it up, right?

I didn't mean to make it seem like I was calling you out, from my perspective it's a pretty funny issue because I have to deal with that stuff every week and thought you'd understand and maybe get a kick out of it being in school

Fair enough. Sorry it was misconstrued. Understandably it would be amusing from that perspective. What are you studying at the moment? We must be careful though as to not detract from the purpose of the thread, cardinal f*cking sin, that one (to quote a person I know)...
 
Beautiful topic. I will opine and use the word “thus” too often.


Tolkien's universe was implemented with an ordered plan by Eru (by Tolkien). Just like evil is goodness slightly skewed, ugliness is beauty slightly skewed. Anything that could have order is less beautiful than something which similarly has more order. Entropy leads to chaos at an atomic level, and thus “every fair from fair sometimes declines/ by chance or nature's changing course untrimmed.”


Entropy can be stopped or reversed in a thing, but only at the sacrifice of the environment around the thing;thus, something can appear beautiful which, if left to its doom (entropy), would otherwise age naturally. Also thus, things which are ugly can become beautiful, either by the ultimate creating force, who can change the nature of the thing itself into something beautiful, or by a sub-created force which, acting of its own accord, may choose to defy the doom of all things physical, namely, entropy, and screw up the environment around it (usually entropy is sped up around the where it is forcefully slowed down).


Beauty, in effect, is the perfect synchronization of a thing to its intended purpose or form, and thus, is the result and power of creators, sub-creators, and rebels: all things which can give order.


To kill implications, something can be ugly in the eyes of men and elves who may purport to see something through the perspective will of Eru, and therefore they see orcs as ugly.


Beauty can be the result of an evil instrument defying the order of the original “composition” and creating its own music, so to speak. The resulting music may be beautiful, but disharmonious and out of order with the accompanying music. Beauty is captivating, and may pull other sound-makers out of the will of the great composer--and is seductive--like Sauron with his temporarily rockin' bod.


Bad guys are ugly because they are the result of disharmony in the grand composition of music.


Because music tones can either be harmonious or not—and the representation of characters which are disharmonious due to Melkor's unexpected “wicked solo” described in the Sil—Tolkien probably randomly chose to visually represent tonal harmony as beautiful, and cacophonous tonality as ugly.


Granted, Tolkien could have done the reverse. Or maybe he did?


Anyways, the short answer is: pure, arbitrary randomness.
 
Wow I forgot about this one...yikes. Me and Ulairi kind of "got into it" on this one.
 
You and Úlairi getting into it? No way! That's impossible!
 
Originally posted by Firawyn
Illuin! It's not like I was the ONLY one! *cough*


Yeah, ours were probably worse, but didn't last as long. Yours were the "Extended Edition".
 
Yes, your arguments with him were worse, because, my dear friend, you really don't know when to shut up! Gosh, am I really the only person realizes that when you know you're not going to get anywhere, it's not worth talking anymore?!
 
Originally posted by Firawyn
Yes, your arguments with him were worse, because, my dear friend, you really don't know when to shut up!




Hehe... Oh, if you only knew.

 
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