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What change in the movies ticks you off the most?

a Hobbit's Holiday

Hmmm the only reason I can guess and I'm not defending it mind you before this new arrival gets slammed dunked by the elder fellowship of brethren, is that the word Holiday as it applies to people in England and the meaning of the word as it applies in America are two entirely different things. In England people go on Holiday...in the States people celebrate a Holiday. Yes it is a case of dumming down i will admit...but you asked why and well that's my best guess.

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The gifts

Well Flashbacks are a usefull dramatic plot device...the major prob with them is they did to slow down the plot if done poorly. I dont know how they would do it otherwise...if that is they do. Though I would like to know if they dont...how are they going to explain Gimmel's (yes I know it's misspelled again..this time I'm doing it to annoy the person who corrected me before..sadistist remember) taking axe in hand to defend The Queen of the wood's beauty.

So many questions...so long to wait
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Don't know if it is a change or not, but

I lost it when Gandalf was twirled around like those astronaut test machines by Saruman. And then he starts talking to a butterfly. Pa-leeez.
 
Baski...Now you'll have to elighten me on that one mate, Is that one of the animated versions?? I'm thinking of the one where they have that orc song "Where there a whip there's a way" correct me if I'm wrong, cause there is a destinct possiblity that I am. Not that you heard that from me mind you.

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Wizard's Duel

Okay I got to ask...why is everyone so upset or perhaps just mildly unhappy with the duel between Sauraman and Gandalf. I mean no one thinks Gandalf let himself be locked up on the top of that tower do you. So it stands to reason that some type of battle did ensue and if two Wizards are going to "mix it up" so to speak...how the hell do you expect them to do it. Now forgive me but I've not re-read the books in awhile...as my copies were stolen by a ex-roomie-from hell, so if it is covered in the actual text then pls pls refresh my memory. Personally I was wondering if anyone who had not read the books, had any clue as to where that giant eagle came from.

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I thought that was going to read "Hadad, thag you very buch".
"Where there's a whip (woo-psh), there's a way" is from the Rankin/Bass adaptation of the Return of the King, which in someway picks up where the Bakshi version leaves off. Personally, I liked that song, if little else from the movie.
 
No aurgument from me there mate, me tag says it all, but for purposes of good spelling, proper punctuation and coherent conversation...it helps. But hey if you get my meaning...no worries.

Now back to the hair splitting...I take it everyone thought the wizard's duel was too "crouching tiger" Let me assure you I saw that flick no less than 10 times...Christopher Lee is no Chow Young-Fat.
 
Rankin/Bass now there is a name I know...they also did(God I'm showing my age and I hear the rips coming now) Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer as Well as Santa Clause is Coming to town and several other Children's Christmas Specials...ahhh Childhood.

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P.S. thang you very bunch

 
Actually, Christopher Lee is a very accomplished fencer, and member of the stuntperson's guild (or something like that) according to the official movie site. Ironically, he's trained a lot longer (if not as intensely) as Chow Young-Fat.
 
Really??!! I did not know that...How cool is that.

Actually I must say...I'm really enjoying this forum, even if I stray from topic from time to time...okay a lot. Just reading through the previous posts I learned alot I did'nt know...thanks all.

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I think we may well see a scouring of the shire in the final movie...... we have had a few hints of it in the FOTR with the bit showing what might happen if Suaron gets the ring and also with a little bit of romantic interest with Rosie and Sam at the beginning. Hope so anyway.
I see what people mean about it might be anti-climatic but the BBC Radio play handled it very well.

Hmmm I think this thread would be better named - Compare and contrast the original LOTR with the adapted movie version.
 
Time??

3:57am to be exact.

Now before I live, so I don't look like a complete moron to the more studious members of this group...who are most likely groaning at everything I've written thus far.

We were discussing the final chapter in the Shire. I would very much like it to be included in the flim for what I belive to be a very valid reason. To me that chapter has always served as a reminder, warning perhaps..that in all conflict, war, police action what have you...no matter how just the cause(in this case the ultimate battle of good vs. evil) there is always a price to be paid and innocents made to suffer. In the case of the Shire the cost was dear, but the damage repairable...far better than the fate which would have awaited them had Sauron won the day. And esp considering the events currently taking place in the world today...It is something we should all be reminded of.

Okay that it for me tonight...have a great evening all.

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xgothgrrl
 
Okay, okay one more for the road, but this is my last one...yeah.

My gratuatious usage of the word Mate, of course. Actually I am from Aussie org. My Mom's from Fla and I spent many a Christmas iin the states with relatives and moved here about 5 years ago. Do you have any idea how hard it is to be a Goth Diva and pull off Jane Austin like Goth-speak, when you sound like Crocodile-bloody- Dundee. No. Ehh just as well you don't i suppose.

Night all and there goes my chance at sounding profound.

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Actually, Bakshi's movie was Slightly, not Mostly, animated. The whole thing was filmed in Black and White somewhere in Spain and Rotoscoped over. I remember this distinctly because I was in High School when he started the project and being the huge Star Wars geek I was subscribing to Starlog, Fangoria and any other publication of their kind I could get my hands on.

http://qlink.queensu.ca/~7rjn2/lotressay.html

As for the Gifts of Galadriel, I know that someplace on the net, perhaps TheOneRing.net, I saw a couple of stills from it. My suspicion is that it was cut for the sake of time, and from the semi-randomness of several of the cuts in Rivendel and Lorien, I deeply feel that history will show us that it was a decision made by New Line and not some error on Jackson's part.

All indications are that the Scouring of the Shire will not be shown. Inclusion of this sequence would put the brakes on the story and really drag down what otherwise would be a buildup to the coronation of Aragorn and the passing of Blibo and Frodo across the waters with the Elves. I suspect that the "Saruman Impaled on the Wheel" photo is a clue to this as from what I understand he dies in the next movie, probably due to the fact that there will not be a Shire Scouring for him to be at.

Finally, I really am beginning to think that the last Hobbits we will see will be Rosie, Sam and their kids in some scene analogous to the final chapter Tolkien passed up publishing (See History of Middle-earth Vol IX: Sauron Defeated). This is, of course, fortified by the crediting of one Elanor Gamgee in "The Return of the King". Since the lass playing her,Alexandra Louise Astin, was born 27th of November, 1996, I am assuming this is not some invented old Aunt of Sam's, but instead "Elanor the Fair", his daughter who married Fastred of Greenholm. (I don't REALLY know all this stuff, I'm just really quick with the research. )
 
Been thinking about that

I think a good way to finish would be to have saruman escape to the shire before the fall of sauron. Have merry and pippen dispatched to the shire.
Then steal a technique from "Apocalypse Now" where the cow (Saruman) and the Colonel (Saruman) are killed at the same time but in different places.
 
What I think should have happened is that Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas would abandon Merry and Pippin and catch up with Frodo to protect him on his journey to Mordor. They would catch Gollum and still use him in conjunction with Aragorn for guides. The party would encounter Faramir, who would recognise Aragorn for who he was and hail him as king. Aragorn would then, with Gollum's help, lead them to Shelob's lair and Aragorn would kill the beast with Anduril. They would also butcher many orcs on their travels (only to silence them and keep their journey to Mt. Doom secret).

In the meantime, Merry and Pippin would escape after the orc battle with the Riders of Rohan and would still come to Treebeard and gain his help in crumbling Isengard. Gandalf would appear in Mirkwood and link up with Treebeard, Merry and Pippin and they would proceed to shadow Saruman's army.

Gandalf would then proceed to Edoras and banish Wormtongue and rouse Theoden. They would proceed to Helm's Deep where they would face an insurmountable host against them but this time you would get to see the Battle of the Orcs and Trees. The Ents would give battle orders to the Huorns and some crap would fly in that battle. Naturally the Ents and Huorns would prevail and Theoden would have minimal loss of life. They would immediately proceed back to Edoras and receive the red arrow and head of to Gondor. Merry would ride with Dernhelm and arrive at Pelannor as in the book.

In the meantime, Frodo and party, would be proceeding towards Mount Doom. Aragorn would still be with them... he couldn't proceed to the Paths of the Dead and he wouldn't be able to hinder the corsairs of Umbar. The Corsairs would sail up Anduin and arrive at the Battle of Pelannor Fields. Theoden would be killed by the Witch-king and Eowyn and Merry would then kill him. The Corsairs would overrun the battlefield and Gondor would fall.

Frodo and Aragorn with party, would proceed to Mount Doom and after much "hot potato" passing, finally throw the ring in the fire. Sauron would be vanquished, Aragorn would become King of Mordor and the Dark Numenoreans of Umbar would rule Gondor.

Later, Aragorn with Gandalf's help (he escaped the rape and sack of Minis Tirith on Shadowfax) would forge a Great Ring and Aragorn would become the Dark Lord. Then the story starts all over again.

Now I'm sure that's how J. R. R. Tolkien would have wanted it written if he'd really thought out the plotline, especially if he'd have been thinking of making it into a movie.

you know.... and one time..... at band camp.....

That's the way Grond sees it..... but I could be wrong!!
 
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