\Originally posted by Variag of Khand
I have problems with your explanation. Firstly you say PJ can CREATE scenes for Arwen, but berate him for having her do things out of character. How can you say what is in or out of character for Arwen? She has no character development at all. There is no way to tell what is out character.
My problem with your position is that you resent even small changes for cinematic reasons, and you wish they weren't there. There are two ways of avoiding making changes for cinematic reasons: either make a bad film, or don't make one at all.
Well I guess that's the nub of it really. You want the film to made for the existing fans of the book (by which you actually mean purists, rather than all fans). I want a film that will work for people who don't already know the books, and will be drawn to read it. Because it is more important to me that more people read the book, than that those who just see the film get every detail presented to them strictly as per the book.Originally posted by Thorin
And no, I don't care for some of the little changes, I would have liked things to be more true then they were (and despite Harad who feels that any deviation closer to the book from what PJ made would have made LoTR a flop), I think that staying truer to the little things would have made a bigger impression on a Tolkien obsessed audience.
PJ provides plenty of ammunition on his own, and happily throws broken carrots and tossed dwarfs at the audience.Originally posted by aragil
Your plan to go to the theaters in order to procure ammunition against PJ puts me in mind of an old Saturday Night Sketch involving sour milk- "This is really horrible. Here, taste it."
But, the plants who probably worked on the film will appear once again for damage control.
1. The skeleton is much SILLIER than the stone; it's boring, and it conflicts with the atmosphere of the Moria scenes.Originally posted by Longshanks
Pippin knocking a skeleton down the well is MUCH more interesting visually than him dropping a stone....
Enlarging the love story adds shades to the characters of Aragorn and Arwen, something that in film, must be SHOWN, not talked about or alluded to as in the book.
I can't help feeling that one had to be looking for reasons to complain if you didn't come out of the theatre feeling like you had just seen a dream come true.
After slogging through this whole thread to get a feel for the opinions of folks on this forum, I was embarrassed to see all the bashing that was done to this film before anyone had even seen it.
This film was as close to a masterpiece as you can come, visually stunning, entertaining and it left me longing for the next installment.
Originally posted by Talimon
THANK YOU!!! Finally someone else who recognizes the complete lack of objectivity that has been so inherent in many purists arguements. That's not even the worst of it, Longshanks. There are some other posts here with people saying they literally "cried in agony" during the trailer. Or other folks saying that PJ has butchered Tolkiens book months before having seen his movie. Yes, I agree. Embarrassing.
I have no problem with people not liking the movie. But I think that many, many folks from the "purist" camp were/are intent on bashing PJ's movies before even seeing them. And before anyone starts making noise, notice that I said "many", not all. You know who I'm talking about.
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