Lord of the Rings on Prime Updates (Thanks Varking!)

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

It was a minor point, anyway -- my own search history causes Google to bring me a constant stream of Amazing New Revelations such as this:

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[Squint-eyed Southerner]

More grist for the rumor mill:

New Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power Leaks Detail Galadriel's Rage And Plot Information About Halbrand

A brand new set of alleged leaks from The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power show off a new scene and detail Galadriel's rage.

boundingintocomics.com

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

From the Comic Book Guy.

 

[TrollinSun]

For me personally, the exposed manipulation from Amazon is what really grinds my gears. If the directors and writers were changing minor things because an actor/actress is a better fit or difficulty of creating scenes from ME. I could write them off. But changing things to appeal to the masses and outright stating they're going to make the original "modern" epic fantasy show "another GOT" are things that grind my gears.

Just my 2 cents

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

I'm not really 'defending the series', just giving it a chance. I'm just waiting for the finished product before making sweeping blatant judgements and writing it completely off like so many. The casting doesn't bother me any, nor does the company that is producing the project, so putting those two thing aside, I see the producers are following along the lines of the mold set by Peter Jackson's 'adaptation' (aka wholesale changes to Tolkien's writing). The little bit I've seen of the series (a few stills, promo posters, and one short teaser) aren't 'dealbreakers' in my eyes and so I remain on the low end of 'cautiously optimistic' on the tilt-o-meter. If THAT is 'defending the series' then so-be-it.

This serie will be a big failure, i guess, they will end it after season two, because not enough people want to watch it. There is nothing in this serie from Tolkiens middle earth, there is only the Name "Lord of the Rings"; but the serie has nothing to do with Tolkiens characteres and storys, and i am really angry, that they show Galadriel, which is my favourite charactere in the books, as a Marvel-Superhero-Warrior-Woman. That has nothing to do with the etheral Galdriel, that Peter Jackson and Tolkien has created. This serie is woke-propaganda, nothing else.
My heart bleeds, when i see how they use Tolkiens Name for something like that. They show not Middle earth there, so this serie is nothing for Lord of the rings fans, which want to feel the magic of Middle earth again.
The casting bothers me totally, because black elves and dwarfes dont exist in Middle earth, and the producers didnt take the chance, to give the black actors roles as Haradrim, for example Haradrim, which go in resistance against Sauron.
And what me also bothers totally is Galadriel in armor with a sword...that dont fit to the wise, peaceful and kind elvenqueen.

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

I guess we'll see.... at least those of us who watch it will.

You will see, this serie will get a total desaster.....in 100 Years no one will remember it, but all people will still love and know Peter Jacksons movies then.
This serie shows not Middle Earth, it shows another Diversity-woke-world.....very boring😴
I dont want to see a black elv falling in love with a human single mom...that is not Middle Earth
And i dont want to see a black dwarf princess, that is also not Middle Earth.
And i dont want to see a aggressiv warrior-Galadriel, in armor with a sword, that is also not Middle Earth.
And i am totally sure, that 80% of all fans will not watch it, because they see, that it is not Middle Earth, what Amazon create there.
Fans want to see Middle-Earth, not Diversity-Earth.

 

[Annatar]

a black elv

Well, actually the actor doesn't play an elf, but apparently he plays a cosplayer with pointy ears, like all the other characters in this series. 😹

Excellent video that exposes many of the shill sites attacks on fans as perfidious and brazen nonsense.

Interesting note from this Youtuber:

The original recording for this whole article was FAR larger than this, and I may have gone a bit over the top on the cutting of the various paragraphs and responses in my attempt to keep a certain pace to the video. The point of this video is to look at framing techniques, and how just changing 1 single phrase in an article to something that means the same thing, but has different wording can entirely change the meaning of an article. I expect we will see MUCH more of these different framing techniques as we progress closer to release

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

Well, actually the actor doesn't play an elf, but apparently he plays a cosplayer with pointy ears, like all the other characters in this series. 😹

This British Tolkien fan is pretty pissed - and quite rightly so:

Excellent video that exposes many of the shill sites attacks on fans as perfidious and brazen nonsense.

Interesting note from this Youtuber:

The whole trailer of the serie looks like Cosplay, i really cant understand, what they have done with the billions of dollars, this serie has cost. 🥶
I am happy, that so much people dislike the serie, this serie will getting a big mistake for Amazon.
What a pitty, that Peter Jackson was not involved...then it would be without woke-Propaganda und Cosplay-looking.
This British Tolkien fan is really totally right

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

You mean this wasn't "woke"?

If not, why not?

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

You mean this wasn't "woke"?
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If not, why not?

This was not woke, because this actors dont play elves or dwarfes, and this was only small roles, and not, like in todays woke-series the biggest roles of usually white characteres.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

So, we're saying that "wokeness" is, at least in part, dependent on the size of the role?

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Nevertheless, there are no designated non-caucasian races inhabiting Laketown in the book; PJ inserted them. I'm just wondering why his inventions are acceptable, even praised, while those of others are seemingly anathema.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I'd just point out a distinction: Martin Luther King was an actual person; African slaves were real people. Dwarves and Elves are not.

But as a matter of fact, the most popular Broadway musical of the last few years features a black actor portraying a white historical figure, so apparently a lot of people are less disturbed than you seem to believe. Whether that will translate to a fictional fantasy world remains to be seen.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Maybe she was a chameleon? 😄

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

The "Gollum notice" was added by mazzly; everyone sees it.

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

Maybe she was a chameleon? 😄

Galadrachameleon?

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

I guessed as much. This "discussion" wasn't going anywhere anyway.

Right, arguing over whether FICTIONAL races are black-skinned or otherwise is a useless discussion. The point of the Amazon forums are to discuss the series aka the plot, story, our opinions of the series without whining about "political agendas." Amazon isn't "spitting" on Tolkien's works. The books are all the same and will be after this series comes out. I'm not saying I'll love or hate the series, I don't know until I actually watch it. And as I've stated many times, people can criticize it all they want, that's fine, it's when we get into these political and racial complaints that it's getting old and the discussion is getting stale.

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

I'm on a few sites, and some have managed to get past (in various ways) the whole character-race complaint and the Amazon complaint, and some really good discussions among Tolkien book fans of the scenes, settings, character actions, and screenplay has ensued. It isn't all 'praise and worship' of the series, and there is a lot that could appear/be different as far as what we know from the promo posters and the one teaser. Still, good civil discussion going on. I hope it may be here eventually too.

Yeah, this is what I envision this section to be. When people stop complaining about the race of actors and discuss the actual content. If they don't like the show fine, entitled to their opinion. Same with someone who likes it, their right to opinion. The political BS is getting stale.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I wouldn't be so sure. The Eddas, from which Tolkien drew, speak of Svartalfr -- "black elves". And the same term is used for dwarves.

 

[HALETH✒🗡]

I wouldn't be so sure. The Eddas, from which Tolkien drew, speak of Svartalfr -- "black elves". And the same term is used for dwarves.

Svartalfr's bodies are shadows. They don't have black skin, they don't have skin at all.