Lord of the Rings on Prime Updates (Thanks Varking!)

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

No. Most certainly not. It is all just a cash-grab for the most part.

 

[Radaghast]

Incidentally, not only is Amazon (or Sophia Nomvete or whoever) wrong about depicting the first female dwarf onscreen EVER, they are also wrong that they are depicting the first "elf of color".

Kristen Wilson in Dungeons & Dragons (2000).

Emilia Burns in The Shannara Chronicles (2016-2017).

Warcraft (2016). I couldn't find what this actor's name is; possibly just an extra.

Wilson Mbomio in The Witcher (2019)

As can be seen from the images above, there has been diversity in fantasy for quite a while now. Amazon is not spearheading anything.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

I see....

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I somehow doubt anyone said RoP features "the first female elf onscreen EVER", but I'll await the citation.

 

[Radaghast]

I somehow doubt anyone said RoP features "the first female elf onscreen EVER", but I'll await the citation.

Whoops, my mistake. I meant to say "dwarf". Fixed.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

So, she's not the first female Dwarf?

Or she's a Dwarf depicting an elf?

I'm confused. 🤔

 

[Radaghast]

So, she's not the first female Dwarf?

Or she's a Dwarf depicting an elf?

I'm confused. 🤔

Amazon (or Sophia Nomvete) is wrong about their depicting the first female dwarf. They (or Ismael Cruz Cordova) are also wrong about their depicting the first "elf of color".

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Who was the first female dwarf?

 

[Radaghast]

There were female dwarves in An Unexpected Journey. I haven't seen Willow decades but I believe that movie showed some too. More recently, The Huntsman: Winter's War had two female dwarf characters, played by Sheridan Smith and Alexandra Roach.

 

[d4rk3lf]

Who was the first female dwarf?

Aulea

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Hey, I found one!

 

[d4rk3lf]

On these thread, I constantly criticized LOTR Amazon, and constantly pointed out my fear on what this series should look at the end (and my fear haven't dimmed yet).

However, I forgot to mention, that equally gross to me are the you tube (small channels), trying to "protect the Tolkien fans and lore", while you can clearly see their only goal is more subscribers. .. someone posted a link of some guy that is just like that in some of the previous pages.
I apologize for not mentioning that earlier.

Then again, I am annoyed by some "fans" requesting "dwarf women must have beards".
Why?
For the Crist sake, why?
I am not a Tolkien lore master (I've read; Hobbit, LOTR, Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, Children of Hurin), and read many parts all over again, many times, and I don't recall any moment Tolkien insisted dwarf womens had beards... I mean.. even if he insisted (in some letters or whatever), is this really important?
Isn't more important character development, cinematography, editing, story twists.. etc, then this?

Diversity:
Yeah, sensitive subjects... I can only agreed to some people saying, that they could have easily done that with placing some heroic and noble characters in Harad, and Run territory, and nobody would complain. Black elf? Umm.. doesn't really looks realistic.. I am glad many of our black friends (that are also Tolkien fans) agreed with us.

Hey, I found one!
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LOL - that's the one!

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

@d4rk3lf , I appreciate that you are not in full support of these criticism videos either...

 

[Elthir]

( . . . ) and I don't recall any moment Tolkien insisted dwarf womens had beards . . .

The idea is based on a description in Appendix A, in the information (seemingly supplied by Gimli)
about Dwarf-women.

And it's backed up in posthumously published, Silmarillion related texts -- there's more to that tale
[for example: why isn't it in the 1977 Silmarillion then], but I would like to keep this answer shortish
for some reason.

I mean.. even if he insisted (in some letters or whatever), is this really important?

It is to Dwarf folk

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

The idea is based on a description in Appendix A, in the information (seemingly supplied by Gimli)
about Dwarf-women.

And it's backed up in posthumously published, Silmarillion related texts (there's more to that tale
[for example: why isn't it in the 1977 Silmarillion then]) but I would like to keep this answer shortish
for some reason.

Always on-point with citation and source! Thank you!

 

[Radaghast]

However, I forgot to mention, that equally gross to me are the you tube (small channels), trying to "protect the Tolkien fans and lore", while you can clearly see their only goal is more subscribers. .. someone posted a link of some guy that is just like that in some of the previous pages.
I apologize for not mentioning that earlier.

Is there something wrong with wanting more subscribers? I can think of someone — or something — else that wants more subscribers.

Anyway, do you think these YouTubers have nothing positive to say about anything? If they liked what they saw of the Amazon series, do you think they'd be silent about it? I myself doubt it. Also, RoP isn't the only thing that exists in the entertainment world. As far "exploiting" any of these properties, that's true of any company that reviews or comments on entertainment media.

 

[Berzelmayr]

about the canonical and non canonical characters in TROP:

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

about the canonical and non canonical characters in TROP:

Hmmm... Interesting. This one may actually be worth a watch, if it is constructive and not critical.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

They (or Ismael Cruz Cordova) are also wrong about their depicting the first "elf of color".

I believe they were referring to the first Tolkien "elf of color".

 

[Radaghast]

I believe they were referring to the first Tolkien "elf of color".

I didn't hear Tolkien's name being used. He seemed to speaking as if he was the first.