Does Frodo die in The Lord of the Rings?

[Manwe]

Is Frodo likely to have died soon after arriving in Valinor, given that Tolkien suggests mortals age faster there and Frodo sought healing before death?

Doesn't this imply that Frodo's final journey to the West was intended as his end, making it more tragic?

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

I believe the overall fate of Frodo (and of the very few mortals who could arrive there) is ultimately left unspecified.

He did indeed sail to Valinor, but we are left unknown as to whether he simply aged naturally himself, or whether the Valar could have prolonged his lifee by some means (assuming that he could handle such means within a mortal body, which is an entirely different discussion).

But consider if he had NOT sailed to Valinor and returned to the Shire with Frodo - the amount of trials he had suffered during the Quest to destroy the Ring had left him deeply exhausted:​

"Frodo seemed to be weary, weary to the point of exhaustion."​

(emphasis mine)

But these lines, from the final chapter of RotK, seems to give great indication that he had no desire to return to the Shire or any part of ME anymore:"​

"I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them.”​

(emphasis mine)

Frodo rather clearly indicates that he is asking Sam and the other Hobbits to take care of the Shire, and that he has no place within it anymore. It makes sense considering the mental toil and exhaustion that he faced during the Quest, along with the wound of the Nazgul upon Weathertop - that is implied to be only healable within Valinor, and not anywhere else:​

"Alas! there are some wounds that cannot be wholly cured,' said Gandalf. 'I fear it may be so with mine,' said Frodo."​

(emphasis mine)

By "wholly cured", Gandalf is implying that no cure or remedy in ME can heal Frodo's wound. Only Valinor's lands, with its immortal and everlasting grace and powers of the Valar infused within them, can possibly heal Frodo. It is thus assumed that simply calling upon the Valar may not have worked, as the power and environments of Valinor's lands itself was needed, not just the powers of the Valar.

So, to conclude, it would have been highly unlikely that Frodo would have lived long and happily had he returned to the Shire. In my opinion, even if he passed away swifter in Valinor, it would have been a better and more fitting ending than if he had lived out the rest of his life in inner misery in ME. Tolkien's ending does not make Frodo's fate more tragic, but rather more beautiful.​

 

[Elthir]

Is Frodo likely to have died soon after arriving in Valinor, given that Tolkien suggests mortals age faster there and Frodo sought healing before death?

Tolkien himself looked closer at the meaning of -- "wither even as a moth in a flame too bright" -- and had the author of Aman and Mortal Men write: "Beyond these words we can but go in guess. Yet we may consider the matter so. . ."

And the conclusion here is that Men in Aman (especially considering the whole life of a Man in such a state) would seem short-lived compared to the world around them. And as a general rule, the Valar could not alter the nature, or "doom" of Eru, with respect to the Children, in which was included the speed of a man's growth relative to the whole life of Arda.

The text notes that the whole life of a Man "would last little more than one half-year" relative to the slow growth of things around him -- a "year" in Aman, according to this text, being 144 Sun-years.

In short, according to this idea anyway, I'd conclude that Frodo would not age faster in Aman (I'm using the term here to include Tol Eressea).

For more, see Text XI, Aman, Aman and Mortal Men, Myths Transformed, Morgoth's Ring, especially the section which begins: "If it is thus in Aman, or was ere the Change of the World, and therein the Eldar had health and lasting joy, what shall we say of Men?"

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[Ent]

Being a stickler for words, a proper answer to the Thread Title is "no, Frodo does not die in The Lord of the Rings. He sails into the West, and will die at some unknown time later.

However, the text of the poster asks a different question. One well answered by the above posters.

(Sorry, couldn't stop myself.) 😁

 

[Olorgando]

Being a stickler for words, a proper answer to the Thread Title is "no, Frodo does not die in The Lord of the Rings. He sails into the West, and will die at some unknown time later.

Stickler alert!
The LotR text ends with Sam's words "Well, I'm back."
But the entire book includes the appendices, including Appendix B "The Tale of Years".
Ending with the section "Later events concerning the members of the Fellowship of the Ring", all dates given in Shire Reckoning.
Ending with the last entry 1541 SR, passing of King Elessar and Legolas taking Gimli with him in a ship headed for the True West by the Straight Road, so that "an end was come in Middle-earth of the Fellowship of the Ring."
It's very unlikely that Legolas and Gimli still met Frodo on their arrival, as the latter would have been 173 at that time ...

 

[Ent]

As you wish. A good bit of inductive reasoning.
We cannot equate ‘very unlikely’ with ‘certainty,’ but we can assess the probabilities. We do not know if Frodo may have been additionally gifted for his role, such as with extended life. To go West itself was incredible grace. Was there more? The text is silent on this as nearly as I know at this time.

It is appropriate for me to change my ‘proper answer’ to ‘speculative answer’ and say::
“We do not know with certainty. Tolkien does not declare it. Some textual considerations suggest there is a high probability he did,”

Thank you for the information and clarification.

 

[Elthir]

I'll add the "free will death" thingy too (something to post). . . if you like this letter, anywho.

"As for Frodo or other mortals, they could only dwell in Aman for a limited time - whether brief or long. The Valar had neither the power nor the right to confer 'immortality' upon them. Their sojourn was a 'purgatory', but one of peace and healing and they would eventually pass away (die at their own desire and of free will) to destinations of which the Elves knew nothing."

J.R.R. Tolkien, letter 325

 

[banakil]

Christopher Tolkien distinguishes between LR proper (the published version) and the LR process (including drafts written during the time period that Tolkien was creating LOTR).

So I think it is fair to say that in latter, yes Frodo died, but probably not in Valinor. It would have been on the lonely isle of the elves.

Found this on reddit:

At the time of her lament in Lórien she believed this to be perennial, as long as Earth endured. Hence she concludes her lament with a wish or prayer that Frodo may as a special grace be granted a purgatorial (but not penal) sojourn in Eressea, the Solitary Isle in sight of Aman, though for her the way is closed. - Letter 297, footnote 119
From this, it seems conclusive he stayed with the Elves on the Lonely Isle, not in Valinor, and there was healed and he lived till he died. And also from this:
...but the mythical idea underlying is that for mortals, since their ‘kind’ cannot be changed for ever, this is strictly only a temporary reward: a healing and redress of suffering. -Letter 154

Now consider the meaning. Why does Frodo need to die? Death was a gift granted to men (the gift of Illuvatar), and Tolkien likened hobbits to men in their lineage. Hobbits only lived to be about 100 years in Middle Earth, and Hobbit behavior appears closer to simple men than elves.

Why is death a gift that is Frodo's inheritance as a hobbit? Frodo was not bound to Arda and content with it like the elves. The lonely isle was for his healing, and probably story telling (remember the Cottage of Lost Play), not his immortality. In History of Middle Earth, the early Frodo (Bingo) is especially restless in seeking adventure in lands beyond the Shire.

Now for the big question: how did Frodo shape his life beyond the music of the Ainur that rules the fates in Arda? We know Frodo's 9-10 fingered hands were guided by Providence. The destruction of Sauron and beginning of the 4th age is a great matter involving beings created by Illuvatar rather than Ainur, and therefore would be partially beyond the music of the Ainur.

Tolkien describes the creation music as themes. The most interesting answer to your question would explain the musical theme of Frodo Baggins. Even in this reality called Earth, you can almost hear the music reaching across imaginations.