What happened with the Ring of the 👑King of the Nazgûl

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

After the ONE RING is dissapeared in the fires of the Orodruin, the eight rings of the Nazgûl were destroyed. But what happened with the ninth ring of the Witch-King? Does anybody know?

Rangerdave · Jan 26, 2003

The Nazgul did not wear the rings that they were bound to. Sauron held the nine rings under his control and used that to help bind the wraiths to his will.

I assume that the nine were destroyed in the fall of Barad Dur.

RD

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Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

I assume this, too, but in the book it is not mentioned.

Furthermore it is interesting that Tolkien didn´t mentioned the ring, when Eowyn kills the Witch-King. It is said in the book that the crown rolls away and that Eowyn falls on the emty coat resp. coat of mail.

I think this is astonishing - what happened to the ring. Why doesn´t look f.e. Gandalf or anybody for the ring?

Aulë · Jan 26, 2003

did you even read RD's post????

Ithrynluin · Jan 26, 2003

The Witch-King doesn't have his ring (probably), they are all with Sauron, as has been said. And if the Witch-King and the rest of the Nazgul DID wear their rings, I think it would have been a dangerous business for anyone to look for the Ring on the Field of Pellenor and toy with it.
But I don't see why the Nine Rings should have been destroyed at the destruction of the One? The Three weren't destroyed, they just lost power. But what became of them? Was the downfall of Barad-dur so intense that the Nine and the remaineder of the Seven were consumed by fire? Or did they just lie there in the ruins, trophies of lost power?

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by Pippin_Took
did you even read RD's post????

Yes of course I have read RD´s post, but maybe there is a misunderstanding from my side.

I understand his post like this: that Sauron has these nine rings under his control, but the Nazgûl wear them. So the Witch-King has his ring on his finger, when Eowyn kills him.

Originally posted by ithrynluin
The Witch-King doesn't have his ring (probably), they are all with Sauron, as has been said. And if the Witch-King and the rest of the Nazgul DID wear their rings, I think it would have been a dangerous business for anyone to look for the Ring on the Field of Pellenor and toy with it.
But I don't see why the Nine Rings should have been destroyed at the destruction of the One? The Three weren't destroyed, they just lost power. But what became of them? Was the downfall of Barad-dur so intense that the Nine and the remaineder of the Seven were consumed by fire? Or did they just lie there in the ruins, trophies of lost power?

How are the nine Nazgûls under the control of Sauron, when their rings are the whole time in Barad-Dur?

O.K. maybe there are so in obedience that a "direct" control is not neccessary anymore.

ltas · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by Samweis
How are the nine Nazgûls under the control of Sauron, when their rings are the whole time in Barad-Dur?

That's a good point actually.

I too have imagined that the Nazgul have to wear their rings, after all, the rings are both the source of their power and their communication link with Sauron.

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by ithrynluin
I think it would have been a dangerous business for anyone to look for the Ring on the Field of Pellenor and toy with it.

Of course it would be dangerous, but Gandalf the White is a very experienced magician! It would be very interesting to know what happened to this ring.

Ithrynluin · Jan 26, 2003

The Rings were given to the Nine a long, long time ago. They quickly fell under the power of the One and were Sauron's slaves. He took their rings from them (or rather they gave them to him at his command) so that he could have total and complete control of their wills. For example: If one of the Ringwraiths, even the Witch-king himself, were to find the One Ring, they would have brought it to Sauron at once; they wouldn't have considered taking it for themselves, because their wills were enthralled.

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by ltas
That's a good point actually.

I too have imagined that the Nazgul have to wear their rings, after all, the rings are both the source of their power and their communication link with Sauron.

Thanks, Itas.

Originally posted by ithrynluin
The Rings were given to the Nine a long, long time ago. They quickly fell under the power of the One and were Sauron's slaves. He took their rings from them (or rather they gave them to him at his command) so that he could have total and complete control of their wills. For example: If one of the Ringwraiths, even the Witch-king himself, were to find the One Ring, they would have brought it to Sauron at once; they wouldn't have considered taking it for themselves, because their wills were enthralled.

Yes, that´s a possibility, but this is not mentioned in the book. On the other hand it is possible, that the Nazgûl wear the whole time their rings to be under control of Sauron.

Both interpretations are possible.

BlackCaptain · Jan 26, 2003

I would also assume, that once the 9 rings were destroyed, that they would lose all of thier power, like the Elven rings. They'd just be rings, and if anybody found them in the stones and rocks that barad-dur is now, good for them. They could go pawn em'.

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

They could go pawn em'.

I would prefer to see them destroyed, because maybe there will be another "Sauron", who thinks about to create a new ONE RING.

Ithrynluin · Jan 26, 2003

There would be no new Dark Lord as great as Sauron. The Noldor left Middle Earth, so who could possibly forge something great like that? No one.
Tolkien says that in the 4th Age and after...evil would be in the hearts of Men.

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Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

I was just looking for a possible sequel.

f.e. MORDOR STRIKES BACK

... I was just a joke!

Gothmog · Jan 26, 2003

As for another One Ring being forged. Even the Noldor could not have made such a powerful ring. Only a Maia or Vala had the power to put into it.

Mod's comment.
Samweis, Thanks

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

Again to the topic.

When the Nazgûl wear the rings, then is the ring on the finger of the Witch-King at the final fight between him and Eowyn.

Then there are two possibilities:

1. the ring dissapears like the body of the Witch-King. Then I would like to know, whereto the ring is gone?

2. the ring fells on the Fields of Pelennor. Then I would like to know, if it is found?

When the Nazgûls don´t wear the rings, then isn´t the ring on the finger of the Witch-King at the final fight between him and Eowyn.

Then I would like to know, how does Sauron control the Nazgûl?

Please remember when Frodo put the ring on his finger the Nazgul become aware of it, so there must be a connection between the ONE RING and the other rings.

Anamatar IV · Jan 26, 2003

Sauron has the Nazgul's ring. He controls them through their rings. They were corrupted by the rings. Think of it like Gollum:

Gollum would do just about anything for the One Ring and for the Master of the One Ring (as we see in TTT). But the Nazgul had never worn the one ring but rather their 9 rings. So they do anything for the master of their nine rings.

Samweis · Jan 26, 2003

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
Sauron has the Nazgul's ring. He controls them through their rings. They were corrupted by the rings. Think of it like Gollum:

Gollum would do just about anything for the One Ring and for the Master of the One Ring (as we see in TTT). But the Nazgul had never worn the one ring but rather their 9 rings. So they do anything for the master of their nine rings.

I agree Gollum would do just about anything for the One Ring but I don´t think that he do just anything for the present master.

I think rather, that he is only bound to the master with his word on the ring but not on the person. When he feels betrayed by the master, he fells no bound anymore, although Frodo is still the ringbearer. This contradicts your theory, otherwise he wouldn´t guide Frodo into Shelobs cave.

Glomund · Jan 26, 2003

The Nazgul did not wear their rings. In the several different versions of the hunt for the ring in UT, it says that Sauron decided to send the Nazgul to hunt for the Shire and the ring because they were his greatest servants, utterly enslaved to the nine rings "which he now himself held". The reason they did not have to wear them to stay loyal was the power Sauron put into the one ring, enabling him to control the others. The Nazgul were slaves to their rings and so to him thru the one

Samweis · Jan 27, 2003

When the Nazgûl are bound to the ONE RING, why aren´t they bound to Frodo resp. Bilbo. The ONE RING was in Shire not in Mordor!

And another thing, how is Sauron able to have the nine rings of the mortal men, when he is the whole time of the LOTR a disembodied "person"?

And a last thing, what means the abbrevation UT?

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