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Who is Tom Bombadil really after all the debate?

dgoof911

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I know this has appeared long ago in this forum, but to sum it all up, what did everyone decide on. Who the heck is he?
 
i wasnt in any of those debates but during FOTR i thought he was an average person. After the book i thought he was a wizard like gandalf but after the two towers i thought he was an ent who turned human.
 
There never was and never will be a consensus. He is an 'intentional enigma'. The 4 most widely subscribed to theories are a Maia, a Vala, a latecomer Ainu, a Nature/Earth sperit. Each of these has problems/inconsistencies.
 
There is a 5th you forgot Pohuist:D

I consider him to be representative of 'Living Time' upon Middle-Earth;) Natures ticking biological clock representing the time it takes for the ecological infrastructure of ME to eventually disappear! Ludicrous? Of course, but no more an impossibility than any other theory.
 
After serious study and prolonged debate, I've decided he's the guy on the box of Lucky Charms cereal. :)
 
Brilliant, Grond, you've confirmed all our suspicions...

Meter, I'd never heard the former ent theory before... interesting.

This is one of those questions that will not die... I think Tolkien just wanted us to have something to talk about...
 
Grond and especially Anc: I said "most widely subscribed to theories". of course, there are others. I ain't forgot nothing:D
 
Originally posted by Sam_Gamgee
all i gotta say is all the signs point to vala
Apparently, you haven't read his letters yet. Here are two very pertinent quotes.
from The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, Letter #144 To Naomi Mitchison
25 April 1954 76 Sandfield Road, Headington, Oxford

Dear Mrs. Mitchison,
...And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).
Letter #153 To Peter Hastings (draft)
(...Hastings had cited the description of Bombadil by Goldberry: 'He is.' Hastings said that this seemed to imply that Bombadil was God. Hastings was most of all concerned with the reincarnation of the Elves, which Tolkien had mentioned to him in a conversation. He wrote of this: 'God has not used that device in any of the creations of which we have knowledge, and it seems to me to be stepping beyond the position of a sub-creator to produce it as an actual working thing, because a sub-creator, when dealing with the relations between creator and created, should use those channels which he knows the creator to have used already...)

As for Tom Bombadil, I really do think you are being too serious, besides missing the point. (Again the words used are by Goldberry and Tom not me as a commentator). You rather remind me of a Protestant relation who to me objected to the (modern) Catholic habit of calling priests Father, because the name father belonged only to the First Person, citing last Sunday's Epistle – inappositely since that says ex quo. Lots of other characters are called Master; and if 'in time' Tom was primeval he was Eldest in Time. But Goldberry and Tom are referring to the mystery of names. See and ponder Tom's words in Vol. I p. 142.2

You may be able to conceive of your unique relation to the Creator without a name – can you: for in such a relation pronouns become proper nouns? But as soon as you are in a world of other finites with a similar, if each unique and different, relation to Prime Being, who are you? Frodo has asked not 'what is Tom Bombadil' but 'Who is he'. We and he no doubt often laxly confuse the questions. Goldberry gives what I think is the correct answer. We need not go into the sublimities of 'I am that am' – which is quite different from he is. She adds as a concession a statement of pan of the 'what'. He is master in a peculiar way: he has no fear, and no desire of possession or domination at all. He merely knows and understands about such things as concern him in his natural little realm. He hardly even judges, and as far as can be seen makes no effort to reform or remove even the Willow.

I don't think Tom needs philosophizing about, and is not improved by it. But many have found him an odd or indeed discordant ingredient. In historical fact I put him in because I had already 'invented' him independently (he first appeared in the Oxford Magazine)3 and wanted an 'adventure' on the way. But I kept him in, and as he was, because he represents certain things otherwise left out. I do not mean him to be an allegory – or I should not have given him so particular, individual, and ridiculous a name – but 'allegory' is the only mode of exhibiting certain functions: he is then an 'allegory', or an exemplar, a particular embodying of pure (real) natural science: the spirit that desires knowledge of other things, their history and nature, because they are 'other' and wholly independent of the enquiring mind, a spirit coeval with the rational mind, and entirely unconcerned with 'doing' anything with the knowledge: Zoology and Botany not Cattle-breeding or Agriculture . Even the Elves hardly show this : they are primarily artists. Also T.B. exhibits another point in his attitude to the Ring, and its failure to affect him. You must concentrate on some pan, probably relatively small, of the World (Universe), whether to tell a tale, however long, or to learn anything however fundamental – and therefore much will from that 'point of view' be left out, distorted on the circumference, or seem a discordant oddity. The power of the Ring over all concerned, even the Wizards or Emissaries, is not a delusion – but it is not the whole picture, even of the then state and content of that pan of the Universe.

Sorry for the length, but these two letters (as well as a few others) make it clear that J. R. R. T. ain't tellin' exactly who Tom is. He definately indicates here that he is not God/Eru/Iluvator.
 
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didn't say he was god...just said 'he is.', and that's all the answer anyone will ever get. The answer is clear in front of our faces, in text. He is Tom Bombadil. What else would you want him to be? :) The letters don't deny that, that's just what they're saying. 'he is'. Why is it so hard to understand?
 
My apologies Leto. My post was directed at Sam Gamgee who suggested he was a Vala. I quoted the wrong post and got the wrong name and have changed that. You are exactly correct that "He is."

I am also a huge "Dune" fan.

"I AM A FIGHTER OF MUAD DIB!!"
 
So all this adds up to Gronds conclusions, he is the Lucky Charms guy! Maybe Tom is a whole different type of thing himself, not a god, or a man or a nature spirit, he's a Tom Bombadil! Or maybe he is a thing Tolkien created perposly to keep his readers hooked and has no real importance to the story or is something truly in LOTR world.
 
Grond has it dead right. The fact remains that Tolkien either did not know, or was not letting on who Tom is. There is no answer to the question of who Tom is.

Two important quotes from Letters:
1) He is an enigma
2) I don't think Tom needs philosophising about, and is not improved by it.
 
There is only one definite answer...

Tom Bombadil actually was the Dutch doll of Tolkien's son Michael which is said to have looked very splendid with the feather in its hat ...

...and which "accidently" got stuffed down in the lavatory someday by his brother John. I wonder what the feather looked like after this little accident...;)
 
Well,I still think he is some very weird sort of a nature spirit, one of a kind really. But Walter's doll suggestion and Grond's cereal suggestions seem very plausible.:rolleyes: :D
 

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