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  1. CirdanLinweilin

    Andy Serkis Facing Backlash..

    So Andy Serkis is facing heated backlash and boycotts of his movie, for an interview he recently gave as production starts. I read some of it, and it at least gives me a modicum of hope that he knows what he is doing. It is really weird how fast the switch-up was, though. CL P.S. If any...
  2. JPMaximilian

    Bilbo's Original Story

    In the LOTR, at the Council of Elrond Bilbo apologizes about how he was untruthful when he first recounted how he found the ring from Gollum. My understanding is that this is an in universe explanation for the disparate out of universe editions of The Hobbit. Is that a fair assessment. How could...
  3. Úlairi

    The Riddle Thread

    This thread is simply a forum version of the Riddle Game between Gollum and Bilbo in The Hobbit. You can draw riddles from any source providing it isn't too ambiguous. You can also make them up yourself; which is what I prefer to do. Here's the example of the final riddle asked by Gollum to...
  4. TrackerOrc

    Would Poor Old Gollum have recovered if Frodo had done his job?

    So here's the scenario: Frodo makes it to the Sammath Naur and does what he's supposed to do, throwing the Ring into the fire and getting out of there quick smart. Sam meets him outside, having for once not given in to his homicidal rage against poor old Gollum, and they are rescued by...
  5. TrackerOrc

    Give the Ring back to poor old Gollum

    So if Elrond and Co are all supposed to be so clever, why not have the Quest be just that - find Gollum, give him the Ring back and escort him back to his nice cool cave under the Mountains. Maybe they could 'accidentally' leave him a member of the Fellowship or two for the nutrition (I'm...
  6. Rivendell_librarian

    📖👀 Chapter 7 (📔Book IV): Journey to the Cross-Roads

    This is a short linking chapter similar to the Flight to the Ford in book I. As an aside there is a beautiful sentiment expressed by Faramir at the end of the previous chapter: "If ever beyond hope you return to the lands of the living and we re-tell our tales, sitting by a wall in the sun...
  7. Rivendell_librarian

    📖👀 Chapter 6 (📔Book IV): The Forbidden Pool

    There are some helpful diagrams and maps of Henneth Annun in Fonstad's Atlas of Tolkien's Middle Earth. Frodo is mysteriously woken up by Faramir in the middle of the night. Faramir wants Frodo to see the beauty of the full moon but there is another matter. Sam wakes up and follows on of...
  8. Radaghast

    Did 🧙Gandalf torture Gollum with fire?

    In the chapter "The Shadow of the Past" Gandalf tells Frodo how he "put the fear of fire on him" to get information about the One Ring. The full quote is below: I have seen it opined a few times that this means that Gandalf actually used fire on Gollum's body. I am of the opinion that Gandalf...
  9. Rivendell_librarian

    📖👀 Chapter 1 (📔Book IV): The Taming of Smeagol

    There is already a more confined feel to this book in this opening chapter than book 3. To reach for an analogy, this chapter and the situation reminds me of SOE agents parachuted into Nazi occupied in WW2, whereas book 3 reminds me of Lawrence of Arabia working with the Arab revolt against the...
  10. CirdanLinweilin

    Pippin must have learned his Gollum Impression from Bilbo

    Probably one of my favorite random things about TLotR is the fact that a) Pippin did a Gollum impression in the books b) Pippin had never MET Gollum before that point and never would c) yet it was an ACCURATE impression, as it startled and was recognized by the orc he was speaking to d) the only...
  11. herlig9

    Philosophy of Gollum

    I was watching LOST commentary on the Moth episode. Sometimes i do like commentaries more than the episodes, but LOST is both good normally and with commentary. Entertaining series. But according to Dominic Monaghan who played Merry from LOTR. He plays Charlie in LOST. He said his inspiration...
  12. herlig9

    What if Gollum turned good?

    In my head it sounds like the story in Moomin where Moomin climbs into a Hobgoblins hat, but becomes unrecognizable to everyone. So he pleads with his mother, and despite how Moomin doesnt look anything like his previous self, she recognizes him and he regains his true form. I kinda see that...
  13. banakil

    Frodo, Gollum, Bilbo, and Leviticus 16

    In the scapegoat story there are 2 goats: one cast into the wilderness to perish, and one that stays in the temple. The fates of Frodo and Gollum are inextricably bound, and so together they represent one scapegoat. Bilbo is the other goat, the one receives the favorable lot. Like Leviticus...
  14. B

    Do you think Gollum is closer to a villain or an anti-villain?

    He's definitely not hero and he doesn't really fit anti-hero (that would be more Boromir (and, to a degree, his father), Thorin Oakenshield, and Túrin), but doesn't seem to fit the villain role of pretty much being all bad and no good (even Bill Ferney seems more of a true villain than Gollum...
  15. CirdanLinweilin

    Was 👁️Sauron Afraid of Smeagol?

    I saw this on Quora and wanted share and discuss on here https://qr.ae/pKvzDJ Was the Dark Lord hesitant to release Gollum? Was it his greatest mistake? CL
  16. ZehnWaters

    Gollum, post-ring.

    So...what are we thinking would happen to Gollum if he'd lived past the destruction of the Ring? Age would have suddenly caught up with him? Why didn't it do so when he lost it? Does that only happen with it's destruction? Would he just decay into dust?
  17. B

    What kept Gollum from fading?

    Gandalf outright stated that one that kept the Ring for long and used it to make oneself invisible would eventually fade and become a wraith or something. And he says that this would happen even if one had started out with good intentions and had some strength. However, Smeagol/Gollum...
  18. B

    Would Smeagol's cooperation have changed the outcome at Mt. Doom?

    Let's assume for a moment that Smeagol stays nice enough that he decided not to let the Hobbits be spider food and instead plans to help them get around Shelob. Could he do it or would she have caught and eaten all three, unless Sam fought her again? Also, in the actual timeline, with Sam...
  19. J

    How did Gollum know how to find the fellowship and Sam and Frodo?

    Was he drawn to the ring because he wore it for so long somehow?
  20. herlig9

    Were elements of Gollum inspired by Renfield in Dracula 1931?

    Now i have heard audiobooks "Some that JRR Tolkien did himself" and Gollum tends to sound very much like a limp froglike creature, like he is almost pathethic really with the vibe you get from Gollum. 14:14 But Gollum that is in Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movies, sounds very alike to...
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