immortality

This is something that I couldn't really figure out properly. It is stated that if they stay in Middle-Earth for too long, the elves' bodies start to get physically weakened and degraded until they become like wraiths due to the marring of Arda caused by Morgoth. But their bodies will stay...

I always had the idea that they were mortal, because of what Manwe said. However, apparently I missed some writings in the lost road where Tolkien said the opposite. For sure, the idea of them being mortal came after the first one. The thing is, there isn't any indication about Earendil, Elwing...

I am reading and loving The Children of Húrin and have just read the superb chapter three including the debate between thrall Morgoth 🤣 and Húrin. This section read literally suggests Morgoth effectively made Húrin immortal albeit only in theory and goes against my understanding of the usual...

This was a post on another forum about when an elf can choose immortality or mortality, and I was just wondering if its correct. ''The choice was only open to the descendants of Elves that saw the Two Trees, which included Thingol, even though he was part of the Moriquendi. Recall that there...

So in Silmarillion the phrasing makes it look like Manwë granted immortality to E couple. But in Tolkien letters: "Immortality and Mortality being the special gifts of God to the Eruhini (in whose conception and creation the Valar had no part at all) it must be assumed that no alteration of...

I think that Men were clearly created to be mortal. It would seem that the Dwarves and Hobbits also ended up that way. However, supposedly the Orcs were Elves that Melkor had corrupted, so does that mean that they also were immortal and could only die the way Elves could? As for Mair...

Hi All! A bit of a morbid subject, but I feel like it's perhaps the most important aspect of Tolkien and his legendarium. Death, Mortality and Immortality. It is no mystery that The Good Professor was no stranger to these two aspects of Life, (Death and Mortality) having served in WW1 and...

I have yet another question that needs answering, which is the following: What would happen if Gandalf were to die again (after being ressurected as Gandalf the White)? It is said in the films (KILL ME FOR I HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS) that Gandalf was sent back "until my task is done". At the...

Main Intro: It is described in the Silmarillion how Earendil had two children, Elrond and Elros. At the end of the 1st age, both these folks got to choose what race they would belong to. Elrond choose to be of the high-elves and Elros an Numenorean king. Elrond became immortal and was granted...

The Nazgûl are the Nine servants of the Dark lord Sauron. They possess the Nine Rings of the Mortal men doomed to die :D . They were mortal men but what happened when they got the Nine Rings? Did they become immortal or they didn't? Are they immortal? [I decided to start this thread after the...

im new here and this question has been bothering me for some time. i dont remember tolkien addressing this much at all, orcs where just deterents there so aragorn would have something to hack on. thanks for the help! also could someone explain the mouth of sauron to me? who is he, where is he...

Beren and Luthien did not have a child until the were sent back AS MORTALS to Tol Galen in southeast Beleriand. Was Dior mortal or immortal? The book acts like he is immortal, but there is never any solid proof.

The question will inevitable arise: are feär immortal? Here are my theories on the subject. If you consider only Arda, and not Eru, than yes, I believe they are. But consider Eru for a second. Certainly he is an omniscient, and yes, úlairi, deterministic, being ;). And certainly he contains...

don't flame me for not knowing this... how immortal are elves?... if an elf gets, you know, hacked or shot in some fashion that would easily kill a man, would an elf die too?... if he fell off a cliff and plummeted to the bottom would it kill him?...

Were orcs Immortal or Mortal? Please give the reasoning behind you're verdict.

(quote - from the FOTR-movie, Aragorn at Bree, expalining to the four Hobbits about the ringwraiths) So... What proof do we have that they are immortal if they were once MORTAL Men? Now if you want me to remember about their tragic end at the destruction of the ring, I still see no firm...

I was wondering if elves are immortal. It,s just that I was reading the hobbit and I came across this line: "Already behind him among the goblin dead lay many men and many dwarves, and many a fair elf that should have lived yet long ages merrily in the wood." Chapter 16 The Clouds Burst.

Okey doke, this is a story i wrote, I'll type out a bit...not all of it...(typing cramps you know!) :rolleyes: yeah sure... tell me what think! Pm me or just tell me in this thread! Both is good! :) (forgive my spelling) CIRROTH AND THE ANNOYING IMMORTAL KNIGHT In the...

I was just looking on the TolkienWiki website and it said that in some passage in LOTR one of Gorbag or Shagrat reminiscies about "The Great Seige", pressumably of the Last Alliance, meaning either that they were alive at the end of the Second Age or orcs pass tales down from generation to...

some elves were immortal right!? so lets say he fell down a bottomless pit. would he fall forever? then again, you can never really have a bottomless pit! so if he did it the bottom would he have to stay there forever! don't think about it to hard u might hurt yourself!:cool: :cool...