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  1. Vorondil

    Avari in the Third Age

    Were the Avari Elves still around in the Third Age? Were there wild Elves living far in the East, perhaps? From The Silmarillion: Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age: This seems to indicate that the Avari were still around, at least in the Second Age.
  2. B

    What if Gondor had fallen instead of Arnor in the early 3rd Age?

    Let's say that, for whatever reason, the Witch King never tried to operate in Angmar, but instead operated from Harad or somewhere near Gondor. And suppose that the internal struggles of Arnor had instead plagued Gondor, and eventually it fell into disrepair, but the Witch King had been driven...
  3. Turin_Turambar

    Some sources claim in some First Age wars there weren't 🧌trolls, 🐺wargs

    There has been a lot of discussion about these issues both in this forum and on other internet platforms. Quora's question and answer bot claims that there are no trolls and wargs in dagor-nuin-giliath and dagor aglareb. According to bot source Wargs first appeared in the Dragor Bragollach war...
  4. D

    Composition/Writing of Of The Rings of Power and the Third Age

    So I'm entering the final stretch of my lengthy and leisurely re-read of the Silmarillion, now past the Akalabeth. I've been a little OCD about delving into an expanded perspective of The Silmarilliion, and part of this was an excursion into the different versions of The Ruin of Doriath...
  5. Turin_Turambar

    What races clashed in the ⚔️War of the Ring battles?

    BATTLES OF BELERIAND (First age wars) Kinslaying at Alqualondë noldor elves:100.000 teleri elves:300.000 First Battle doriath elves:15.000 falas elves:8000 ossiriand elves:11.000 dwarves:12.000 morgoth's orcs:80.000 Dagor-nuin-Giliath noldor elves:30.000 morgoth's orcs:60.000 balrogs:8...
  6. Turin_Turambar

    Was Falathar in Middle Earth in the Second Age and the Third Age?

    There is very little information about the elf named Falathar. We only know that he was a follower of Finrod and was later moved to Falas. So, after fighting in the War of Wrath, did Falathar remain in Middle Earth? Or did he return to Valinor? Was Falathar in Middle Earth in the Second Age and...
  7. Turin_Turambar

    Are the battles of the Third Age bigger than those in the First Age?

    Both the tolkien forum, reddit and Quora users say that the wars of the first age were larger than wars of third age, although the difference is not clear. I think too the wars of the first age are larger. But for some reasons, a few wars in the third age may be larger than some wars of the...
  8. Turin_Turambar

    Why is the third age said to be the age of collapse for all kingdoms?

    I want to open a topic that some people discussed in this forum a long time ago. Many Tolkien readers say that the Third Age is a period of collapse for all kingdoms. If so, why are there more orcs in the Siege of Gondor than in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad? And why is the number of soldiers 10,000 in...
  9. Radaghast

    References to Morgoth in the Third Age

    On the suggestion of Elbereth and Ent, here's a list of references to Morgoth in The Lord of the Rings. I don't know if this is all of them, so anyone feel free to add more (that's what this thread is for): The first reference is by Tom Bombadil, though whether he's talking about Morgoth or...
  10. Turin_Turambar

    Is Third Age Middle-earth larger than Beleriand?

    hello friends, I had a chat with a Turkish middle-earth historian on twitch. Don't be fooled that he is Turkish. He has read all the Middle-earth books many times and has even read the Silmarillion at least 10 times. And he is currently one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about...
  11. Vorondil

    Any notable Numenorean settlements besides those in Gondor?

    I'm meaning apart from Black Numenorean strongholds.
  12. Turin_Turambar

    Were the first age battles more populated than the third age battles?

    Source: https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Demography I've opened a lot of threads on this subject before. I admit, it's a very cliché question, but according to the source in the link I gave, the population of races living in the third age is far more than the population of races in the...
  13. Turin_Turambar

    Is the middle-earth of the third age larger than Beleriand?

    According to the maps below, the size of beleriand is about the size of the eriador. Do you think this is really true? Was the middle-earth of the third age much larger than beleriand, as in these two pictures?
  14. Rivendell_librarian

    The Third Age Middle Earth football World Cup

    I thought of 16 teams: Grey Havens, The Shire, Bree, Rivendell, Moria, Mirkwood, Lorien, Fangorn, Rohan, Dunland, Gondor, Mordor, Umbar, Harad, Rhun, Isengard plus Lake Town and Erebor as one team. Any creature living within those areas can play for their team. No magic, murder or weapons...
  15. B

    Could 👁️Sauron come back to power without the One Ring?

    Most of the evidence in the books seems to suggest that the answer is "no", but, on the other hand, after reading Shadow of the Past just now, I noticed that Gandalf said that their "dreadful chance" was that Sauron long thought that his Ring HAD been destroyed and so never went looking for it...
  16. ZehnWaters

    3rd Age without 👁️Sauron?

    I won't go into the details but the net effect of one of my stories is Ar-Pharazôn dies before the launch of the Great Armament, Númenor isn't sunk, and the One Ring is destroyed prior to the end of the 2nd Age, Sauron loyalists from Númenor have taken up residence in Umbar. My questions are...
  17. Turin_Turambar

    Are estimates of first age armies being larger based on accurate data?

    Hello guys, I would like to ask you a question that has been on my mind for a long time. According to my calculations, there are 25 wars in total in the war of the ring, including a war in the movie, which is not canon. In the wars of beleriand, there are a total of 22 wars. and beleriand, where...
  18. Turin_Turambar

    Which age had more mystical elements: the first or the third?

    There is a subject that all Tolkien fans argue a lot among themselves. Was the first age or the third age bigger? First of all, every age had differences that other ages did not have. Each age had its own unique atmosphere. But every age had an anti from other ages. For example, the third age...
  19. J

    Manwe And The Third Age Of Middle Earth

    Hi How Did Manwe Get News Of The Events Of Middle Earth After The Breaking Of The World And The Fall Of Numenor?
  20. Turin_Turambar

    Elrond's words: Does 🌋Mordor surpass First Age 🧝Elves?

    In the Fellowship of the Ring Elrond has a saying: "Had I a host of Elves in armour of the Elder Days, it would avail little, save to arouse the power of Mordor." what does this mean? Does he emphasize that Mordor is more powerful than the high elves of the first age?
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