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It seemed that Tolkien had a sense of soap opera- like drama when he began devising the family tree of some of the Valar.
**Manwe and Melkor are brothers and yet mortal enemies.
***Yavanna and Aule marry after in the world, but Yavanna has a son, Orome who is not son of Aule (see...
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Let's start discussing it :)
So... What do we know about the work of each and any of the Greats?
What info do we find about one typical "working day" of a Vala?
As there are quite a few of them, I suggest we start sharing our views in some...
I was reading the Sil's descriptions of the Valar and I got to Tulkas. . .It doesn't say a whole lot about him, not much to go on as far as making a detailed personality sketch, but I just started to feel that he was the type who would get under my skin.
I know he's the most annoying. . .but...
Where did the Valar take warriors for their armies from?
I asked this question in another thread, and I got one answer :
"Vanyar, Teleri...some Noldor...perhaps led by Maia officers"...and someone could have perhaps added Fionwe....
Not enough!...
Because ... To have armies of the...
Pengolodh says: "Yea, even from his first coming into Ea from the side of Iluvatar, and from the young lord of the Valar in the white wrath of his battle with Melkor unto the silent king of years uncounted that sits upon the vanished heights of Oiolosse and watches but speaks no more: all that...
Were Men treated fairly by being left alone by the Valar?
I think they were, and if it was the other way around then the Elves would not have coped (sp) i dont think, as Men were given the gift of being able to "shape their life, amid the powers and chances of the world" (as Ilúvatar put it)...
This question came up into a discussion on Chapter 8 of the Silmarillion.
Really...!
Think of it - the Valar came from darkness, lived in darknes, the most part of the world lived in darkness even when the Trees existed, the Elves woke up in darkness and long lived in it and never stopped...
Alright, I never did finish the Silmarillion, but I may start back up again if I get stuff strait.
First off, what was so important about the light of valar? I mean, its just a tree with light shining off of it? Why would Morgoth have Ungoliant suck the light out of it?
And what about the...
What would happen if a Valar wore a Ring of Power? Would they be affected in anyway or would they be like Bombadil and the ring would simply have no effect. I know it never could happen now that the rings are destroyed just another pointless hypothetical question.
I was in the car with my dad, when he asked me a question about TLOTR that I couldn't really answer. I was telling him that wizards were really just Maiar incarnated, and that they were sent by the Valar to battle with Sauron. I then told him how they were forbidden to use their full power, but...
Ok, to me I have always assumed that the Valar fought in the War of Wrath, but I was reading a thread that made me think twice about that. Throughout the Silmarillion when it discusses the War of wrath all it says is "the host of the Valar" or "the host of Valinor" fought but it never mentions...
I am asking you a question. After Melkor's rebellion and after he was renamed Morgoth could he be counted a Vala? What is a Vala aside from an Ainu with more strength and taken with physical form? What was Melkor really in the Wars of Beleriand? Was he a Vala or just another Ainu with more...
why did they then?
I mean they helped the Elves in the last battle against Morgoth, but they wont help or even give word/advice to defeat Sauron/Saruman, why? its the last bands of men on the planet the last Free men anyway, i really cant see why they dont help!
Thôl
having only read the silmarillion once i may be wrong but, as i remember it, at the end of the war of wrath the valar took the remaining silmarills, refusing to give it to one of feanor's heirs (cant remember which one). This seems to me to be a very suspicious act on their parts, and if memory...
I got this idea while reading through the Dagor Bragollach debate again and again, it was about if the race of men were treated fairly generally throughout history. I have always been disappointed on the valar for their lack of interest for the race of men and especially their treatment of...
For when the dead shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. Mark 12:25
Therefore the Valar may walk, if they will, unclad, and then even the Eldar cannot clearly perceive them, though they be present. But when they...