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Does Ilúvatar deserve to be worshipped?

Please expect my answer here in some two years from now, Ray....
 

Well, if you don't believe the Ainulindalë or the Valaquenta provide evidence of the existence of Ilúvatar (or his actual voice in The 'Tale of Adanel') then it's likely you'll have to think outside the box here.

I'll have the proverbial college try:

There are a few references in Letters about the lack of Eru's presence within Arda:

The Letters of JRR Tolkien - #211: To Rhona Beare

The One does not physically inhabit any part of Eä.

The Letters of JRR Tolkien - #181: To Michael Straight [drafts]

There is no 'embodiment' of the Creator anywhere in this story or mythology.

This obviously makes it difficult to prove or provide evidence in support of the existence of Eru.

If taken from a literary perspective, there would be the intrinsic necessity of a Creator to give authenticity to a mythology or Legendarium and as such a Creator would therefore be inevitable in this tale.

The Letters of JRR Tolkien - #200: From a letter to Major R. Bowen

Melkor, who ultimately became the inevitable Rebel and self-worshipper of mythologies that begin with a transcendent unique Creator.

I acknowledge the flaw per se in the use of extrinsic material but proof of a Creator's existence can be gleaned from the mind of the author of the mythology. It can also be derived from this concept that a Creator is an inexorable constituent of any mythology.

I find the most compelling argument for the existence of Eru to be through the events in which he himself becomes present and through these events he does, in the sense of Destiny and Fate, become present within Arda. Two of these events that have especial note is the Fate of the Ring and The Drowning of Númenor. Tolkien has this to say about the Fate of the Ring and Eru's involvement:


And I'm going to have to make a thread about this as the are many reasons why I consider PJ's Fate of the Ring to be better than Tolkien's eek as it portrays the self-destructive nature of evil instead of the Predestined nature of Arda.

The other, The Drowning of Númenor was Eru's direct intervention:


And for the textual evidence:


I personally find this enough to constitute the existence of Eru within Arda. There is another excerpt from Morgoth's Ring that I also find to be quite blatant evidence of Ilúvatar's existence:


But by playing Devil's Advocacy and the atheistic perspective one could use the convincing argument of Sauron's in his perversion of the Númenoreans to evil:


However even Tolkien acknowledges this was a lie, and the direct intervention of Eru is punishment for the foolishness in the Númenoreans conversion to the Dark. Interestingly Tolkien also discusses Sauron's acknowledgement of Eru in Myths Transformed:


I would likely conclude that is was through Eru's intervention in Eä is where his existence may be 'found'. As for worship of Eru and whether he deserved it. The Firstborn did not consider that Eru deserved it as they had no organized religion; but Tolkien still describes Men and Elves as monotheists in Letters.

Cheers,

Úlairi.
 

I would say that Elrond and Arwen qualify as "material or tangible" evidence. Elrond and Arwen were living testaments of Half-Elven that were given the (Divine) choice of Immortality or Mortality (unless one is of the 'conspiracy theory' type that believes Elrond and Arwen were perpetuating an old wives tale just for the fun of it).

As Tolkien states; Ilúvatar alone had the power and authority to confer this choice:


 

The Statute of Finwë and Míriel, The Divine Choice of the Half-elven, The Akallabêth and The Fate of the Ring... I say tomàto; you say tomäto.

Cheers,

Úlairi.
 
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