🧝Galadriel in the First film; what She said....

[Miss Rainbow]

Back to the 1st film; now I wonder exactly what Galadriel said in the part where she changes her appearance in front of Frodo in the movie; she started saying I think: "IN PLACE OF A DARK LORD YOU SHALL HAVE A QUEEN!............ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!!!" What exactly were her words? And what did all that exactly mean??? Thank you very much!

 

[Turin]

I think it was something along the lines of "Not dark, but beautiful". I'm not sure if this happened in the books or not.

 

[Eriol]

I think it was something along the lines of "Not dark, but beautiful". I'm not sure if this happened in the books or not.

Yes, that's it; she's showing how her rule (if she got the Ring) would be unlike Sauron's, but at the same time how it would amount to the same thing. There is a letter in which Tolkien discusses what would happen if Gandalf used the Ring, and he concludes that this was the worst scenario of all -- "Gandalf would make good seem evil". Different ringbearers get different "styles" of "DarkLordmanship", but they are all Dark Lords in the end.

The Galadriel scene is in the books, though it is less scary there, in my opinion. Galadriel there appears to be teasing Frodo as opposed to REALLY tempted by the Ring; I get the feeling that she already made that decision, when the Ringbearer first stepped in Lórien (this would of course where temptation was felt; there was no strict need to wait till Frodo offered the Ring to be tempted by it). Movie-Galadriel apparently is quite moved by the offer .

 

[Rangerdave]

Quote from the Book.

In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!

If I remeber properly, the quote in the movie was shortened, something akin to

In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible. All shall love me and despair!

I hope this helps

RD

 

[Sarah]

treaturous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth was in the movie one.

 

[Morgaphry]

The movie went like this:
"In place of a Dark Lord you shall have a Queen!
Not Dark, but Beautiful and Terrible as the Dawn!
Treacherous as the Sea!
Stronger than the Foundations of the Earth!
All shall love me and despair!"

Thanks
Morgaphry

 

[-K-]

Galadriel there appears to be teasing Frodo as opposed to REALLY tempted by the Ring; I get the feeling that she already made that decision, when the Ringbearer first stepped in Lórien (this would of course where temptation was felt; there was no strict need to wait till Frodo offered the Ring to be tempted by it). Movie-Galadriel apparently is quite moved by the offer .

You are forgetting what is really at play in that scene. It has nothing to do with the choice to take the Ring or not to take the Ring.

It is the choice to maintain Lothlorien, or to accept the Doom of the Noldor.

Remember that Galadriel is much older than any other Elf in Middle-Earth at the time. Even Elrond and Glorfindel are younger. Galadriel lived for a while in the Blessed Realm. She was born to Finrod either during the Exodus to the Blessed Realm or during the Golden Age of Valinor. She was one of the noble Elves that led the Noldor through Helcaraxe into Beleriand after the Kin-Slaying.

Now there were two things that Mandos pronounced when the Noldor left. The Doom of the Noldor, and the Curse of the Noldor.

The Doom of the Noldor was that they could not re-enter the Blessed Realm. Hence why Galadriel was STILL in Middle-Earth. She could not return.

The Curse of the Noldor was that all that they did would turn to ruin as they tried to regain the Silmarils from Melkor. Galadriel was spared from this, as it applied only to those involved in the Kin-Slaying.

Hence why she used Nenya to create Lothlorien. As a shadow of the Blessed Realm that she could not go to. She had lost all her family as well, all she had left was the people of Lothlorien. We can assume that these were also Noldor who were not directly involved in the Kin-Slaying.

If the Ring was destroyed, or went to anyone other than Galadriel, Lothlorien was destroyed. And once Lothlorien was destroyed, she was stuck in Middle-Earth unlike the other Elves. So she wanted it badly. She admits thinking about such a chance many times in the book. The only chance to save Lothlorien was to take the Ring for herself.

Why did she not take it? Look to her words. She considers what she would become if she took the Ring. Powerful, and terrible. Then the thought enters her mind. By refusing the Ring she has a hope at least of having the Doom of the Noldor repealed in her case. And she takes the chance.

She has a MUCH more involved choice than what the book even shows. You need to read the Appendices and the Silmarillion to appreciate the scene.

 

[Deleted member 3778]

You need to read the Appendices and the Silmarillion to appreciate the scene.

I doubt that was on PJ's mind when he shot the scene

 

[-K-]

I doubt that was on PJ's mind when he shot the scene

No, what was on PJs mind was how the hell can I fit this scene in to make fans happy and still have it make sense in the relation to the rest of the film.

 

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Remember that Galadriel is much older than any other Elf in Middle-Earth at the time. Even Elrond and Glorfindel are younger. Galadriel lived for a while in the Blessed Realm. She was born to Finrod either during the Exodus to the Blessed Realm or during the Golden Age of Valinor. She was one of the noble Elves that led the Noldor through Helcaraxe into Beleriand after the Kin-Slaying.

Nope, Cirdan the Shipwright was the oldest Elf in Middle Earth at this time, or so I believe.

The Doom of the Noldor was that they could not re-enter the Blessed Realm. Hence why Galadriel was STILL in Middle-Earth. She could not return.

If I recall correctly, Galadriel was given the chance to return to Valinor along with the rest of the Noldor after the sinking of Beleriand (since the end to the Oath with the death of Feanor's sons ended the Doom of the Noldor!). But she, being stubborn of heart and proud, refused the summons. It is only until the Ring wonders into her borders that she truly accepts this, which is important for her character, and shows her as a person who has finally submitted to the inevitable. So she could have returned before this incident, but she chose not to.

I'm 99% sure anyways, I usually seem to get corrected no matter what.

 

[Brent]

You are forgetting what is really at play in that scene. It has nothing to do with the choice to take the Ring or not to take the Ring.

It is the choice to maintain Lothlorien, or to accept the Doom of the Noldor.

Remember that Galadriel is much older than any other Elf in Middle-Earth at the time. Even Elrond and Glorfindel are younger. Galadriel lived for a while in the Blessed Realm. She was born to Finrod either during the Exodus to the Blessed Realm or during the Golden Age of Valinor. She was one of the noble Elves that led the Noldor through Helcaraxe into Beleriand after the Kin-Slaying.


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No I think you will find she was Finrod's Sister the daughter of Finarfin "the beloved" hence her relationship with Thingol. I have a particular respect for old Finrod as he has big fans amongst the Dwarfs (whom he got on with) and Men (whom he intially befriends and take him for lord). The book seems to indicate they were close.

 

[Eledhwen]

Mirror of Galadriel scene in the first film....

This was one of the things that I liked least about the film. The way Galadriel suddenly goes blue, and her clothes go ribbony and billowing, and her voice goes all weird, was overkill on special effects and reminded me I was watching a film (ie: I was no longer lost in the story). Later, she told Aragorn that they would not meet again, so I knew she wouldn't be turning up at her granddaughter's wedding.