Gil-Galad in the movie LOTR

Olorgando · Jan 22, 2020

Olorgando said:
Endorfin - Ereinion (Gil-galad) - both names are eight letters long

Galin said:
Well, in the Roman alphabet.

Argh! The pitfalls of transcription …
Do you happen to have the Tengwar originals? I don't think I want to give Appendix E in RoTK a try and "reverse engineer" them from the Roman script versions …

Elthir · Jan 23, 2020

Heheh. Considering "Endorfin" hailed from English endorphin (which Ando himself refuses to admit, incidentally), basically meaning: "any of a group of peptides occurring in the brain and other tissues of vertebrates, and resembling opiates, that react with the brain's opiate receptors to raise the pain threshold" . . .

. . . the "Elvish" [ahem] name Endorfin, even written in the "full" Mode of Beleriand, for example . . . well I guess it would depend upon whether or not you consider the nasalized tehta a "letter".

Ando writes his Quenya nickname with one letter and one "vowel mark" -- that is, with the letter called ando -- with an o-tehta above it.

Olorgando · Jan 23, 2020

Galin said:
Heheh. Considering "Endorfin" hailed from English endorphin (which Ando himself refuses to admit, incidentally), basically meaning: "any of a group of peptides occurring in the brain and other tissues of vertebrates, and resembling opiates, that react with the brain's opiate receptors to raise the pain threshold" . . .

The truth will out!
A coded message indicating intra-cranial drug trafficking!
Have the proper authorities been informed about this?!? 👮‍♂️👮‍♂️👮‍♂️

Galin said:
. . . the "Elvish" [ahem] name Endorfin, even written in the "full" Mode of Beleriand, for example . . . well I guess it would depend upon whether or not you consider the nasalized tehta a "letter".

Ando writes his Quenya nickname with one letter and one "vowel mark" -- that is, with the letter called ando -- with an o-tehta above it.

Uh-huh. Egyptian hieroglyphics territory for me again as far I was able to understand anything - meaning nothing. 🤯

Elthir · Jan 23, 2020

Not that you don't know this already, but this is the Greek letter called alpha (uppercase version). See also an old letter called aleph, which can have a meaning "ox" for example.

A

And this is the Elvish letter called ando in Quenya (which means "gate" in Quenya, the Quenya word including -nd-)

And Ando writes his name with this one letter and an o-tehta above it. A "tehta" is a mark to denote a vowel. How do other Elves know the name is not Indo or Ondo? Well they do. The vowel a can be left out; although granted, Tolkien's own example is the Quenya word calma - which, if written with Roman letters without its vowels: clm -- has only the vowel a.

Or he could just leave a mark, like Galin's 🐾

Olorgando · Jan 23, 2020

Galin said:
Not that you don't know this already, ...

To be absolutely truthful, I did not have the foggiest inkling (!) about what you posted. The "High Philology" parts of Christopher's writings, mostly in HoMe, lost me after at most a line and a half. Might as well credit me with knowing linear calculus of something of the sort (if that exists) - not a chance in Angband.

Halasían · Jan 23, 2020

Wow... talk about derailment...

Elthir · Jan 23, 2020

Apology. The basic answer to Gil-galad's hair colour seems to be "no one knows" for certain . . . but I don't want to further derail the thread today.

__________

Nor will you Galin, as you're now banned again . . . at least from this thread for the rest of the day!

Ando

Erestor Arcamen · Jan 24, 2020

Galin said:
Apology. The basic answer to Gil-galad's hair colour seems to be "no one knows" for certain . . . but I don't want to further derail the thread today.

__________

Nor will you Galin, as you're now banned again . . . at least from this thread for the rest of the day!

Ando

Elthir · Jan 24, 2020

Okay. Day over. I'm back. And I'll try to drop the attitude (includes my recent "Black Death" comment elsewhere).

Or maybe not!

Olorgando · Jan 24, 2020

Halasían said:
Wow... talk about derailment...

Not my fault. I tried to get a link between Ereinion and Endorfin going (see previous page), when philology intruded (I think).

Galin said:
Apology. The basic answer to Gil-galad's hair colour seems to be "no one knows" for certain . . . but I don't want to further derail the thread today.

__________

Nor will you Galin, as you're now banned again . . . at least from this thread for the rest of the day!

Ando

Erestor Arcamen said:

Galin said:
Okay. Day over. I'm back. And I'll try to drop the attitude (includes my recent "Black Death" comment elsewhere).

Or maybe not!

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I think I'll head over to Appendix E in RoTK. At least there I have a ghost of a chance of understanding things.
Though these two clips may be iconic in some TV markets, they mean exactly zero, zilch, nada, nix to me … 🤔

Elthir · Jan 24, 2020

What! Not everyone in the world has seen this perfect moment from the Oscar-winning face of Mona Lisa Vito?

calm yourself Galindo, the world's a big place . . . calm . . . breath slowly . . . in . . . out . . . let the nice cool oxygen tingle your wet snout

Erestor Arcamen · Jan 24, 2020

Olorgando said:
I think I'll head over to Appendix E in RoTK. At least there I have a ghost of a chance of understanding things.
Though these two clips may be iconic in some TV markets, they mean exactly zero, zilch, nada, nix to me … 🤔

Mine is from The Office, the US version. It's one of my most favorite TV series 😁

Olorgando · Jan 24, 2020

Erestor Arcamen said:
Mine is from The Office, the US version. It's one of my most favorite TV series 😁

So that's why something about it seemed familiar! Very realistic facial expression, reviving memories from my "active" days, which were mercifully sliding into dimness and oblivion. I'm not sure I'm overly happy about having them revived! 🤨

Elthir · Jan 25, 2020

And "Mona Lisa Vito" is from the film My Cousin Vinny, if anyone's wondering.

🐾

Squint-eyed Southerner · Jan 25, 2020

Got 'em both.

Not to be personal, but did you recently develop a lisp?

Yours,
Thquint-eyed Thoutherner

Ron Simpson · Mar 2, 2021

Elthir said:
Hmm. According to Tolkien's last word Gil-galad was the son of Arothir son of Angrod, .....

Question: You indicate that Tolkien changed his mind on the genealogy. At which point in the body of work did Gil-galad stop being Fingon's son? (I wish to read more on it...)

Elthir · Mar 2, 2021

Hi Ron. If you have The Peoples of Middle-Earth, there's a section in The Shibboleth of Feanor titled The parentage of Gil-galad.

The fuller history there is longish, so to jump to the 1950s: throughout the 1950s Gil-galad was seemingly no longer Finrod's son (without going into the full matter of Finrod having no wife), and was noted in pencil as the son of Fingon on an amanuensis typescript of the Grey Annals -- so the note is at least no earlier than 1958-ish.

But Gil-galad returns to being a Finarfinian in the 1960s, with Christopher Tolkien stating that his father's last known idea is Gil-galad son of Arothir son of Angrod.

🐾

Ron Simpson · Mar 2, 2021

Many thx Elthir !

Þráinn Þórhallsson · Feb 15, 2026

Gil-Galad said:
I watched LOTR for sixth time and I saw something interesting.In the beginning when Galadriel speaks about the rings and the battle between elves,people and Sauron,Gil-Galad can be seen on two scenes.The first one which shows Cirdan,Galdriel and Gil-Galad watching the rings and the second one while he is killing orcs with his spear.These scenes are just a few part of the second.So.Gil-Galad is with black hair,but he is son of Fingolfin and nephew of Finarfin.It's said about Finarfin:
"...alone among the Noldorin princes he and his descendants had golden hair,derived from his mother Indis"
Why Gil-Galad is with black hair,not with golden.It was written somewhere that Finarfin was with black hair and that explains the color of his son's hair.Is it true?I'm not sure whether Gil-Galad was with black hair.
So the question is black hair or golden?

Ironically the one who actually is said to have black hair(Legolas), is always portrayed as blond. Not Just in Jacksson's version but Bakshi's as well.

Tar-Elenion · Feb 15, 2026

Tolkien has stated Gil-galad's hair colour:
"Base √ÑAL ‘shine, glitter’, always with reference to reflected radiance from a bright surface. As in the name Gil-galad ‘star of radiance’ given to Finwain, last High-king of the Eldar, because of the radiance of his silver hair, armour, and shield that, it is said, could even in the moonlight be seen from many leagues afar."
The Nature of Middle-earth, Hair (from a late (1969) linguistic note)

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