help what is the difference between 🧌orcs and goblins

[confused_jrrt]

Hi,

I was just wondering what is different between orcs and goblins, cuz in lotr is says that sauruman cross orcs with goblin men, so they must be different things right.

 

[Beorn]

You got to it before me!

Well, also check out http://thetolkien.forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3832

 

[Confusticated]

 

[aragil]

Hmm, there's also a significant quote from CT in the HoME series (Return of the Shadow- don't remember the volume number) where he describes how his father went from using Goblin primarily (in The Hobbit and drafts for early chapters in tLotR) to Orc. As I am embarrassingly without books right now, all I can do is direct those that have them. I think the passage comes somewhere in the first draft of The Shadow of the Past.

Ooh, delved into U vs U-h and came up with several citations, though unfortunately no quotes:

HoME VI p.437 note 35 (p. 443), p. 462 note 2
HoME VII p.193 and p.205 note 5.

I didn't see these quote anywhere in the above two threads, and I've been dying to draw attentiong to them.