I want HoMe 13!

[Elendil3119]

What about Tolkien's languages? Wouldn't it be great to have a collection of all Tolkien's writings on his languages in one great big volume? Right now, if one wants to get ahold of excerpts of Tolkien's writings on his languages, he/she must subscribe to some expensive journal or something. What do you say we make a petition for HoMe 13 and send it to Christopher Tolkien?

 

[GuardianRanger]

For some reason I think there is a HOME 13...I thought I saw it on Ebay. I thought I saw that it was an Index to the first 12 volumes. At least, I know I've seen 13 volueme sets.

 

[Elendil3119]

Well, the index is not technically HoMe 13. However, Houghton Mifflin, for their paperback editions of The History of Middle-earth, seperated HoMe 9 (Sauron Defeated) into 2 volumes: The End of the Third Age, and Sauron Defeated.

 

[Aulë]

What are you talking about?
HoME8 is 'The War Of The Ring'
And HoME9 is 'Sauron Defeated'

HoME13: http://www.tolkien.co.uk/books/default.asp?id=21953

EDIT: Being sneaky, eh Elendil Editing your posts like that....

 

[Niniel]

Well, then we should petition Chris Tolkien for a HOME 14 It would be nice to have a book with all Tolkien's work on languages in one volume (or two if it were a too large volume).

 

[Lantarion]

Well, most of his languages are given in HoME 5 in the Etymologies, and at least the BoLTs have an Appendix of Names, where the meanings of the various names are given.
But yes, it would be supakewl.

 

[Confusticated]

There is also a lot of later writings about the languages in PoME.

Vinyar Tengwar is something to look into if you want language information. I don't read it, but I know it is a journal about the elvish languages. A lot of Tolkien's language writings have been published in it.

PS: I see he has VT volume 43 available for download. So you can check it right away, and see if you like what it has!

Also, I recommend VT 39. It has the Osanwe-kenta, which tells about the language of thought, or "telepathy", how and when this happens, and how Morgoth used threat of bodily harm to get people to talk, being unable to force his way into minds. It also touches on reasons that Manwe released Melkor, and explains how Melkor was able to hide his mind.

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[Elendil3119]

That's exactly the problem. The only place those texts are available is Vinyar Tengwar, to which you have to subscribe to get. I would rather that C. Tolkien just compiled all these writings into one nice big volume for us common lay-folk to buy. BTW Lantarion, the Lhammas in HoMe 5 really deals (from what I've read of it) mostly with the history of the languages, and not the more grammatical aspects of them.

 

[Walter]

Let's face the facts, Christopher Tolkien will be turning 80 next year, I don't think he will publish another HoMe book at all, let alone such a highly difficult and little rewarding project as one about JRRT's languages...

 

[Lantarion]

Wow, I didn't realize he was that old! Are any of Tolkien's other descendants into his works and languages as much as Christopher is?
And Elendil; yes you're right, it deals really only with how the vocabulary of Quenya was shaped in context with the root forms. But there are many great books that deal with Tolkien's language and grammar, and great websites (*cough*Ardalambion*cough*).. But it would be nice to have them in a proper book, or books, I agree.

 

[Walter]

Originally posted by Lantarion
Wow, I didn't realize he was that old! Are any of Tolkien's other descendants into his works and languages as much as Christopher is?

I don't think so...

Simon Tolkien, son of Christopher has written a novel in the fiction genre (unrelated to JRT's writings) which has recently (Dez, 2001) been published. But it seems there was a disagreement over some support of the movie, Simon did, which caused him to fall in disgrace of his father and the Tolkien estate.

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[Elendil3119]

I was reading through the Vinyar Tengwar website yesterday and the sample one they have for download, and I noticed that nearly all of the original texts had been edited by someone other than C. Tolkien. It seems that he just gave the original manuscripts/typescripts to these guys, and they went through, edited them, and published them in the journal. So it wouldn't be impossible for some journal like VT to eventually publish all these texts in a nice big volume, though it'd still be better if C. Tolkien did it...