Yes, that’s what I’m trying to do too, but I’m also making sure that I’m prepared for the worst also, so that when I see it I won’t be utterly disappointed or something like that. I just like making sure I’m prepared, but I’m still optimistic about it. 😊I agree with this, despite trying to keep an optimistic view coming into it.
That is just fair, of course! I'm not even (trying to) be(ing) pessimistic here. The show might be good in it's own right and it will for sure be massively entertaining! On the long run we'll have to see what comes of it and I admit that I'm quite eager to satisfy my curiosity on this one! It's still based on Tolkien after all, if even remotely.I agree with this, despite trying to keep an optimistic view coming into it.
I understand that completely. I certainly don't expect it to be completely accurate nor a good representation of Tolkien. I don't doubt that it won't be. I am just trying to keep being optimistic, because there is no point in forming negative opinions about it, especially before I have even seen the show.Yes, that’s what I’m trying to do too, but I’m also making sure that I’m prepared for the worst also, so that when I see it I won’t be utterly disappointed or something like that. I just like making sure I’m prepared, but I’m still optimistic about it. 😊
Yeah, I understand that. I am certain it will be entertaining too. On the lines of any agendas, from what I have seen, at least in the trailer, you really have to look and peer into it to find the reference of agendas or propaganda being pushed. Obviously, I cannot make any comment on the episodes of this show, as I have not seen any of them. I hope it is not too evident, and that they just try to enjoy Tolkien, and introduce more people to like his incredible works. Of course, this will be no Tolkien. Because it can't be. In all the literature I have read, and grant you it is much, I have not found a single work that I appreciate more than Tolkien. All the others seem to just pale in comparison, and all the others can become a bit stale to me, but not Tolkien. I can pore over Tolkien for hours, day after day and it never gets old. No doubt, this show will not compare to that at all. Yet, I have hope and promise, because it is Tolkien-related, and in the end, if you don't like it, don't watch it. It truly is that simple.That is just fair, of course! I'm not even (trying to) be(ing) pessimistic here. The show might be good in it's own right and it will for sure be massively entertaining! On the long run we'll have to see what comes of it and I admit that I'm quite eager to satisfy my curiosity on this one! It's still based on Tolkien after all, if even remotely.
It was never about creating movies or series 100% true to the books.
Rarely anyone expect that (even the hardcore fans).
The problem is, when you create something from Tolkien works, and it looks just plain stupid.
If you strip out the fantastic visuals that Weta created for PJ LOTR movies, you will get very flat characters, unnecessary conflicts (that just look stupid) between characters, very pathetic looking drama scenes (with overused slow motion), characters that are totally opposite then in the books (example: Gandalf, that is always weak and tired, as opposed to the book Gandals that is always strong, charismatic and energetic).
The thing I never understudy is this:
You wanna action movie LOTR?
Fine.
Take Steven Spielberg, take James Cameron, take Mel Gibson as a director... these people know how to create these kind of movies, and they know how to create emotional scenes, and how to drive characters.
As I said previously, the saddest thing for me about this show, is that people would be actually happy if it replicated PJ LOTR, because majority doesn't see beyond nice visuals....
I will give this show a chance, for sure, but from my part, I REALLY hope to see some clever dialogue, nice developed characters, nicely done dramatic or emotional scenes... but from what I saw in trailers so far (especially dialogues), I am really scared.
We all are cautiously optimistic, Copia. Just some of us a bit more 'cautious' and some a bit more 'optimistic'. We're on the same page-- both metaphorically and literally..PS. And dont shoot me down, Im not defending this series in any way. I cant as I havent seen it.
But I am cautiously optimistic, and I am looking forward to check it out.
The very statement that anyone makes this claim is dubious, meaning that anyone used the term "Anglo-Saxon" while making it. But, whatever words might be used by anyone, it's beyond doubt that Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for England. And, going through his letters, Tolkien refers invariably to Anglo-Saxon as a language rather than an ethnicity.Those lamenting the supposed “race swapping” decision follow a similar thread. They often begin their polemic by pointing out that LOTR and other source materials composed by Tolkien contain occasional references to the pale skin tone of elven and Númenórean (ancient human) characters.
Furthermore, they claim that Tolkien intended his legendarium to become the Anglo-Saxon national mythology (this veracity of this claim is dubious), and hence its protagonists must be white.
I actually agree with you on almost everything.I have little hope for a series where we know for a fact that characters and events that are not in canon will be heavily featured; will indeed make up most of the series
It's sad that this even has to be stated in a 'discussion' about the series when someone says they are 'cautiously optimistic and am looking forward to seeing it.PS. And dont shoot me down, Im not defending this series in any way. I cant as I havent seen it.
But I am cautiously optimistic, and I am looking forward to check it out.
This is so true-- but in fairness, no one was actually 'shooting them down' it was simply a post out of caution. Everyone was entirely polite and kind, on this occasion.It's sad that this even has to be stated in a 'discussion' about the series when someone says they are 'cautiously optimistic and am looking forward to seeing it.
I guess I would have to see a successful example of this to get an idea of how it could work. And I wonder how often it happens with other works of literature.I actually agree with you on almost everything.
Here, however, I would say that I would be very happy with a fanfiction and added invented characters, if it did not - as obviously in this adaptation - contradict the book originals in many things.
I'm not aware of any such case. On the other hand, I don't know of a single case where the source material and rights situation is so absurd.I guess I would have to see a successful example of this to get an idea of how it could work. And I wonder how often it happens with other works of literature.
A recent example is Sanditon. There's even the parallel circumstance that the original story was unfinished.I guess I would have to see a successful example of this to get an idea of how it could work. And I wonder how often it happens with other works of literature.
Haven't read the book Sanditon but I can see where such a character would fit. Another example is Ros from Game of Thrones.A recent example is Sanditon. There's even the parallel circumstance that the original story was unfinished.
And there's another example of an unfinished fantasy story being continued as fanfic
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