Lord of the Rings on Prime Updates (Thanks Varking!)

[Annatar]

So, enough with the short, escapist excursion into Tolkienesque realms.

Let's get back to the imbecility that is supposed to be presented to us here.
"Just Some Guy", a PoC by the way (sad that you have to emphasize that under certain circumstances these days), who has seen through all this very well and whom I agree with in everything concerning the series, sums up some plot holes well here:

 

[d4rk3lf]

Well, that might have been the best you can get out of the series...
And don't forget, Sauron also had a beautiful appearance at first.

Yeah, some of the environments are nice.
But I can't believe, how majority of people just ignore to notice these utterly stupid and cheesy dialogs and monologues in the teaser.
Even some hardcore Tolkien fans I see on youtube channels.

 

[Radaghast]

 

[Annatar]

But I can't believe, how majority of people just ignore to notice these utterly stupid and cheesy dialogs and monologues in the teaser.

And the beautiful pictures will only make up 1-5% of the showtime, while the rest will be moronic babble or unintentionally funny characters and scenes that have nothing to do with Tolkien. 😂

Even some hardcore Tolkien fans I see on youtube channels.

Well, some have definitely been bought or bribed, that's for sure.
Others hope to get more followers and ad revenue by jumping on the hype.
Others may indeed be pursuing the same political agenda, but that is likely to be the minority, because these people usually have no interest in Tolkien anyway. But I actually know a few people who used to be big Tolkien fans and now believe that his writings would be at least too conservative, if not racist, but in any case no longer sustainable in their original form and therefore must be urgently revised.
And another large part just lies to themselves and lives in a dream world where facts are denied and everything is glossed over as long as you ride what appears to be the mainstream wave... If the mainstream says it's good - who wants to be the bad guy who disagrees? This requires courage and an alert mind, as well as time. This is also not desired at all. You should consume what is offered to you and not question it. 😉

 

[d4rk3lf]

But I actually know a few people who used to be big Tolkien fans and now believe that his writings would be at least too conservative, if not racist,

That's so wrong, that it starts to physically heart me.
Tolkien was not a racist (and neither am I), and his work didn't touched the diversity stuff.
If I crate a book, or a movie, about Chinese empire 3000 years a go, why the heck would I want white people, black, or Hispanic people in there?
Youtube is full of black people that are Tolkien fans, and that publicly say over and over again, that they don't want to see black elves, numenorians, hobits or dwarfs (and kudos to these people).

If Amazon really wanted to introduce black characters, they've could have done it pretty easily.
Who better then Khamul the Ringwraith?
He was easterling chieftain, and they could have made a plot where his daughter and wife are begging him not to take the ring, or not to use the ring, but he don't listen to them.
OR, he could have taken the ring from Sauron in order to save life to his daughter or wife, and he succeed in saving their life, but he is condemned to serve the will of Sauron for a very long time.
Or any similar option.
And there you have it... Amazon.

 

[HenryVIIII]

Eh, the entire Hobbit trilogy is an example of that. Though I'm not certain how much of that is actually Jackson's fault - wasn't he brought in fairly late? I think del Torro worked on it previously... he might have wanted to have Jaegers fight, hence the stone titans.

He was writer-producer from the beginning. It was only directing he came into late. He certainly did not come in and have to direct someone else's script.

 

[Annatar]

By the way, during my further research I discovered the secret of how the proto-Harfoots evolved from the humans. This here might be the very first specimen and thus the progenitor of all Harfoots:

Spoiler:
The first Haarfoot is the third from the left.

Yes, I know, many of you initially thought it was the second from the left.
But he's not a proto-Harfoot - it's good old Gand-Alf!

Many now think he landed by meteor at that time, but it was an UFO.

 

[Gothmog]

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Well, if you don't want to see the story done right then that is up to you. As for "Woke" that is just people being stupid. Now in terms of this " amazing trilogy LOTR" could you please point me in the direction of it as I can't seem to find it?

As for Amazon's attempt at Middle-earth, I have a very low expectation of it since what has been shown is not very inspiring. A beardless dwarf which makes it seem that they don't know much of Middle-earth or being "woke". Then we have Tu'vak of Vulcan, Elrond treating Galadriel like a child when she remembers the light of the two trees that died before he was born.

 

[herlig9]

Well, if you don't want to see the story done right then that is up to you. As for "Woke" that is just people being stupid. Now in terms of this " amazing trilogy LOTR" could you please point me in the direction of it as I can't seem to find it?

As for Amazon's attempt at Middle-earth, I have a very low expectation of it since what has been shown is not very inspiring. A beardless dwarf which makes it seem that they don't know much of Middle-earth or being "woke". Then we have Tu'vak of Vulcan, Elrond treating Galadriel like a child when she remembers the light of the two trees that died before he was born.

Well LOTR , the three first movies are the best. I dont think or would be hard to beat them interms of execution. Obviously getting right director to add faithful depiction to source material is important.

I am just saying i wouldnt die if it turns bad is all. One can just have new director after that whom may be better hopefully.

 

[Gothmog]

Well LOTR , the three first movies are the best. I dont think or would be hard to beat them interms of execution. Obviously getting right director to add faithful depiction to source material is important.

I am just saying i wouldnt die if it turns bad is all. One can just have new director after that whom may be better hopefully.

Oh, you mean PJ's butchering of Tolkien's story about Hobbits and their part in the end of the Third-age?

I have little interest in Amazon's attempt to make a new Cash-Cow. I might watch some of it to answer some (not very well) burning questions but I expect that once more I will find myself saying, Good actors and actresses poor show.

 

[herlig9]

Oh, you mean PJ's butchering of Tolkien's story about Hobbits and their part in the end of the Third-age?

I have little interest in Amazon's attempt to make a new Cash-Cow. I might watch some of it to answer some (not very well) burning questions but I expect that once more I will find myself saying, Good actors and actresses poor show.

I mean if it fails i will just say "Well fun but not good", i have the DVD trilogy of LOTR. I saw Hobbit by Peter Jackson, and was disappointed with it. So thats probably what i will go with. If its good i will keep it, if its not so great i will just wait for something better

I for example think its a massive shame that LOTR cartoon didnt get to include Return of the King (which got delivered to another company and failed completely to capture what the Bakshi cartoon did with it) Because the Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers was very striking and almost Diablo level of interesting movie!

 

[Ealdwyn]

 

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UK version, if my Chrome extention is telling the truth (dislikes are probably rounded):

5,884 likes vs 27,000 dislikes

The US version now has

61,032 likes vs 201,000 dislikes

There seems to be something that fans don't like about Amazon's series. 🤣

 

[Ealdwyn]

UK version, if my Chrome extention is telling the truth (dislikes are probably rounded):

5,884 likes vs 27,000 dislikes

The US version now has

61,032 likes vs 201,000 dislikes

There seems to be something that fans don't like about Amazon's series. 🤣

The series? Or Amazon?

 

[Gothmog]

The series? Or Amazon?

Yes

 

[Annatar]

Then we have Tu'vak of Vulcan

Exactly! 😄

Elrond treating Galadriel like a child when she remembers the light of the two trees that died before he was born.

Elrond apparently had the gift of foreseeing in the books. But not in the trailer, where he seems like a toxic know-it-all. Was that intended?
Reinforce the portrayal of the strong, independent woman by juxtaposing her with a male jerk? Just as Amazon has already done incessantly with the deformed characters of Wheel of Time, where only the women have the inside track, and the men are generally portrayed as either evil or goofy...

This argument between teenage Galadriel and teenage Elrond is highly stupid anyway. Hopefully they don't already show their most profound dialogue in the trailer. 😆

By the way, on YouTube Elrond was already compared to Dougie Howser. 😂

vs.

 

[d4rk3lf]

Exactly! 😄


Elrond apparently had the gift of foreseeing in the books. But not in the trailer, where he seems like a toxic know-it-all. Was that intended?

The dialogue between "Elrond" and "Galadriel" was idiotic.

Until recently, I though Peter Jackson is a master of pathetic dialogues, and crappy looking arguing between characters.
But now, he got a very serious competition.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Let's try to keep the discussion to the series itself, and leave politics out of it.

 

[Tar-Elenion]

The dialogue between "Elrond" and "Galadriel" was idiotic.

Nuh unh!

 

[Copia]

I am very positive to the show, and will be open minded(Yet still hurt from the Hobbit films). But I don't understand why they had to addmso much east of Mordor? I know they need to take some liberties straying from the books, but Tolkien's map...?