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Of Reading Ut and HoME

Just to clarify, these various volumes 'expand' upon the relavant Sil and the LOTOR appendices and don't simply regurgitate them?

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They aren't very easy to come by in my area either. I see an occasional paperback here or there but never more than a couple few paperbacks at even the larger bookstores.

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Yes but not really.
The 12 volumes is the history of Tolkiens writings. There are many incomplete stories and essays that he never meant to release. There is alot of repetition but you see how the stories grow and also see all the stuff Christopher Tolkien had to work with to get The Silmarillion in a form that could be published.
The books are not for everyone so read Unfinished Tales and if you can handle that then the rest is not that hard.
 
For a short description of each Volume you could check out the Book section over at the TolkienWiki: The History of Middle-earth.

pgt & Beleg: Buying the books online (e.g. Amazon (.com or .co.uk) or Barnes&Nobles is not an option for you? (just in case: At the book pages are also links to the books at Amazon and Barnes&Noble provided)
 
I would read them in order because it shows you the growth of the legends.

6-9 deal with LOTR, 12 deals with the appendix, Unfinished Tales covers alot of the Second and Third age.

The Atlas of Middle-earth is great.
Also get The Complete guide to Middle-earth by Robert Foster.
 
Also get The Complete guide to Middle-earth by Robert Foster.

I respectfully disagree. The complete guide is astonishingly innacurate geographically and information wise.
 
I too use the Guide frequently as a starting point for some research and would be interested to learn where it is astonishingly inaccurate geographically and information wise...

The only thing one has to keep in mind when using it, is that its information ends more or less with the Sil.
 
I use it to help jog my memory on stuff. And to get page #'s for alot of the quotes I'm looking for that I cannot find in the Index to a book. The Index to LOTR dosen't cover the Appendix but the Guide still gives you page #'s so you don't have to search the Appendix everytime you are looking sentence to quote.
 
Another question about the HOME books (since that's the topic of this thread): I finally got hold of half of them: 1, 4, 5, 10, 11, and 12, and I was wondering does it matter whether I read them in order or can I just read them anyway I like? It might be a while before I can find the other half, and I don't want to wait with reading those I have until I get the rest.
 
Vol 6-9 cover the development of the LotR which can pretty well be read separately from the rest at any time.

Vol 3 - the lays (poems) of the tales of Túrin and Luthien - can IMO also be seen separately from the rest since most of the actual contents can also be found elsewhere in the HoMe.

Vol 2 - the Lost Tales II - would be the logical sequel of the Lost Tales I, both together represent the first versions of the tales which Tolkien had begun sometime about 1915 and what much later became the The Silmarillion.

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Vol 10-12 cover the post LotR development of the Sil, and contain quite a lot of material which has not been presented in the published Silmarillion. Those would be a possible entry-point - especially if you have read the Sil and don't plan to get the LTII anytime soon.

If you plan to get the LT II in the near future I'd read them in the order 1,2,4,5, 10-12 and Vol 3 anytime in between or later if at all (yes, I'm not really partial to reading poems ).
 
Well Walter, I have to disagree with you here. I think that you should read them in order 1-5. Why? Because when you are reading the commentaries made by CT in Home 3, he makes references mostly to The Tale of Tinúviel and The Tale of Turambar in home 2. If you read them in order, you would have those stories fresh in your mind when the comparisons are made. In The Lay of Leithien, you can see also the development of the Nargothrond element. The name Nargothrond actually appeared here first as Felagund too. One would miss the earlier conception that it was Celegorm and Curufin the ones who founded Nargothrond.
Also, when reading Home 4, Quenta Noldorinwa, in the main narrative there are references to The Lay of Leithien, as they are in The Published Silmarillion too. Besides, would someone want to miss the great description of Nargothrond made in The Lay of the Children of Húrin? Or the details of Húrin's imprisionment in Angband?
 
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No problem, Maedhros, you've sure got a point there, at least from the scholarly point of view!

Now the reason why I said it can be read separately and referred to the "actual contents", meaning the lays seen as beautiful pieces of poetry on their own, without connection to the rest of Tolkien's literary works: I know of a few readers who have greatly enjoyed reading the lays as the only part of HoMe because with those Tolkien beautifully approaches and resembles the poems in Old- and Middle-English he adored so much.

And besides, following the discussions on TTF, I somehow get the impression that many readers seem to seldom bother reading CT's comments...
 
I am far from being able to advise anyone in what order to read the HoMe - volumes.
Partly, because it depends on what one has available!
Partly, because some of us are more interested in the Sil - story and others - in the LOTR - story.

I would suggest however, from what I have been lucky to read - start and procede just as the volumes are numbered. It gives you a perfect view on how the creation of the final stories had been achieved.

As for Volume III - that is a marvellous collection of some fine poetry - a poetry that if you care reading it aloud, you'll find yourself almost singing!; a poetry that inspires and moves; a poetry that gives a lot of information too; a poetry that practically takes your mind to that imaginary world, called Middle-earth!

Oh, and DO read Christopher Tolkien's comments! A lot to be learned from them!
 
Personally I didn't find Volume III all that fun.
Perhaps the most boring part of all HOME series.
But that offcourse is my personal opinion since I am not very fond of poetry.

Whatever order, Volume VI, VII, VIII, IX should be read togather.
IMO.
 
I rarely have any favourites regarding Tolkien; I rather view all texts as a whole, but of the things I've read in HoMe and UT, which aren't that much:

Everything in UT is completely great. No need to elaborate further there.

I didn't think that I (the first volume) was so interesting, knowing that it's mostly obsolete material, and the material that isn't obsolete was so similar to the published Silmarillion. Some things like the traveller Eriol were interesting though, and that cottage of lost play.

The Fall of Gondolin in II is something to be mentioned though. I haven't read it in full myself, but according to others it's very good and exciting, and it can with some fairly rough modifications be viewed as not abandonded material, because Tolkien never rewrote it, and adds many pages to the legends of the First Age.

I think The Lost Road in V is interesting with it's linking of modern times to ancient times, and it would be a good topic for a thread, I think. I know that the idea was later rejected, but the conversations between Elendil and his son Herendil can, with some modifications (thinking of Herendil as Isildur, for example), I believe, even be regarded as not rejected by Tolkien because they don't seem to contradict much with his latest views concerning the Downfall, and the conversations seem to be a quite natural part of the build-up to the Downfall, thus adding more material to the Second Age, of which there isn't so much (at least in the amount of text) written.

The development of the conceptions of Númenor until the Akallabêth are also interesting to follow in V (The Fall of Númenor) and IX (The Drowning of Anadûnê).

I've read a little of the beginning of VI and Tolkien's first views of Bilbo's doings in LR are quite amusing (getting married and all that). I am sure it's very interesting to follow the development of LR in the LR HoMe's, and I know there might be some material that one may take as small additions to the final LR, and that makes them especially interesting. In VII one can find additional material about Tolkien's views of Lothlórien and it's conception of time, for example.

I've yet to read The Notion Club Papers in IX but I am sure it's interesting.

I haven't read anything of X yet but I know a bit about it and that it is a must read for every true Tolkien fan. Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth and Myths Transformed are very important texts concerning Tolkien's latest conceptions of the mythology.

I have acquainted myself with the Wanderings of Húrin in XI, and I know that it can somehow fit in with the ruin of Doriath and the rest of the legends of the First Age, so it's great that it adds many pages to that Age. In Quendi and Eldar there is very interesting information about the very first Elves.

XII is an excellent volume in that it contains a lot of material that can be added to the mythology. Of the things I've read (or know) especially The History of the Akallabêth, The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen, Durin's Folk, Of Dwarves and Men, The Shibboleth of Fëanor, The Problem of Ros, Last Writings, Of Lembas, The New Shadow, and Tal-Elmar all add more material, in some cases very important.

It will take a long time, but I intend to read the whole HoMe series, and everything else Tolkien ever wrote as well, probably. I am not just interested in reading everything that can be considered part of the latest mythology - following the development of the texts is also interesting and makes you understand Tolkien's works better.
 
I & II - The Book of Lost Tales pt. 1 & 2 in the earliest writings that eventualy became The Simarillion.

I found it unreadable 20+ years ago.



 
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