Originally posted by Parrot
Not poor reasoning at all as it is precisely Glorfindel’s role that causes the problem. Movie-goers can understand that Haldir and Celeborn are bit basically bit players, kind of like the extra “Heads of the Five Families” in some “Godfather” scenes. We get that they are powerful and important people but also understand they won’t play a major role in the story. On the other hand, to have Glorfindel swoop in, pull a Mighty Mouse, then turn around and pull a Hoffa, would be far more disconcerting and confusing, IMO. “Oh, that Glorfindel guy? He, uhhh… got called away on business… you know… important elf stuff.”
I don't understand this leperous aversion to having minor characters do things and disappear...It happens all the time in movies...What the heck is the big deal? PJ could have had Glorfindel as an elf guide who throws
Frodo on his
horse simply because he is the closest....The rest could have played out as it was in the book and Glorfindel wouldn't even have needed to "scare" the riders into the flood...they could have just gone after Frodo and
Gandalf could have explained the rest (i.e.
Elrond made the flood and Gandalf made the
horses) Glorfindel's role would then have been understandable (Elrond sends out messengers to find the company) and not have been a scene stealer. He then would have been no more a presence then Haldir and Celeborn were in the movie....
Why not have
Arwen do that instead to introduce her character early, you might ask? Had that been all she would have done to replace Glorfindel, that could be accepted....But as you all know, Arwen went beyond the call of duty and of her written character by doing the extra nonsense she did and stealing the thunder from 12 different characters....Cutting out Glorfindel is one thing, replacing him with a character who doesn't belong doing MUCH more then Glorfindel ever did is just plain unacceptable...
Originally posted by Parrot
Thorin, why do I feel confident that had PJ NOT included Haldir and Celeborn you would have bashed him that way too?
You know what? If PJ was just going to make Celeborn do absolutely nothing and seem nothing more then
Galadriel's
Wormtongue, he would have been better off not even putting him in and let Galadriel take centre stage...As it was, he totally ruined Celeborn's character and made me wonder, even as a
Tolkien fan, what purpose he even served....