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The Grave of Beren and LĂșthien

Ardamir the Blessed

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I have wondered if Beren and LĂșthien’s grave was intact in the Third Age. It isn’t certain where their final resting place was:

The Silmarillion:
Then Beren and LĂșthien went forth alone, fearing neither thirst nor hunger; and they passed beyond the River Gelion into Ossiriand, and dwelt there in Tol Galen the green isle, in the midst of Adurant, until all tidings of them ceased. The Eldar afterwards called that country Dor Firn-i-Guinar, the Land of the Dead that Live; and there was born Dior Aranel the beautiful, who was after known as Dior EluchĂ­l, which is Thingol's Heir. No mortal man spoke ever again with Beren son of Barahir; and none saw Beren or LĂșthien leave the world, or marked where at last their bodies lay.
I guess ‘afterwards’ means that the Eldar called the country the Land of the Dead that Live while they knew that Beren and LĂșthien were living there.

But if we assume that the grave was located in Tol Galen, did this area exist, without being too much changed in the Third Age? If it did, it certainly wasn’t an island anymore, because there weren’t any islands in Lindon.

According to this map of Beleriand and Eriador combined, Tol Galen was located in Harlindon in the Third Age:

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This map is part of an investigation on the geographical relation between Beleriand and Eriador by Ronald Kyrmse.

The river Adurant, whose divided course created the island of Tol Galen, ceased perhaps to exist in Lindon:
For so great was the fury of those adversaries that the northern regions of the western world were rent asunder, and the sea roared in through many chasms, and there was confusion and great noise; and rivers perished or found new paths, and the valleys were upheaved and the hills trod down; and Sirion was no more.
It seems that the part of Ossiriand that remained, remained because LĂșthien (and Beren) had dwelt there:

The Lost Road and Other Writings, The Fall of NĂșmenor:
Beleriand fell into the sea in that time, all save the land where Beren and LĂșthien had dwelt for a while, the land of Lindon beneath the western feet of the [struck out: Ered] Lunoronti.
for the sea covered all that was left save some of the mountains that remained as islands, even up to the feet of Eredlindon. But that land where Luthien had dwelt remained, and was called Lindon.
So, I think the area of Tol Galen remained in the Third Age, and if Beren and LĂșthien’s grave was there, it remained too.


Appendix A:
Beyond the Lune was Elvish country, green and quiet, where no Men went;
:(
 
Well, the quote you provide ["...and none saw Beren or LĂșthien leave the world, or marked where at last their bodies lay"] seems to indicate that they were not buried at all. If nobody knew where their bodies lay when they died, how could anybody labour to build a mound over them, or set them in the ground? :confused:
And the quotes from the HoME books are ambiguous to the extreme; personally I often prefer to go by what the Published Silmarillion says, althuogh there are important points in the HoME (as I understand) that Tolkien did not strike out or forsake. Anyway, there is no mention of any remaining portions of Beleriand after the Change except Himling and Tol Morwen.. And if CT decided not to include the 'myth' of Tol Galen (haha, 'galen' means 'crazy' in Swedish :D) remaining after the Change, he must have deemed it forsaken by his father.
But this quote you give puzzles me:
for the sea covered all that was left save some of the mountains that remained as islands, even up to the feet of Eredlindon. But that land where Luthien had dwelt remained, and was called Lindon.
LĂșthien and Beren did not, to my knowledge, live in Ossiriand/Lindon, but on Tol Galen alone. Hmm..
 
Originally Posted by Lantarion
LĂșthien and Beren did not, to my knowledge, live in Ossiriand/Lindon

Of the Fifth Battle: Nirneath Arnoediad
Then Beren and LĂșthien went forth alone, fearing neither thirst nor hunger; and they passed beyond the River Gelion into Ossiriand, and dwelt there in Tol Galen the green isle, in the midst of Adurant, until all tidings of them ceased
personally I often prefer to go by what the Published Silmarillion says,

Matter of Opinion. Although the text in Sil is often edited by C.T or G.K. Sure they are great Tolkien scholar's but they are not Tolkien himself. I myself prefer the HOME, but if something in the Sil concides with the passages in HOME(Which is often the case) then Sil is also okay.

Anyway, there is no mention of any remaining portions of Beleriand after the Change except Himling and Tol Morwen..

Ossiriand indeed remained. That might be true about Beleriand proper.

The most important question that comes to my mind is was Beren and Luthien's grave ever made?
 
Then Beren and LĂșthien went forth alone, fearing neither thirst nor hunger; and they passed beyond the River Gelion into Ossiriand, and dwelt there in Tol Galen the green isle, in the midst of Adurant, until all tidings of them ceased.
Well what I meant was that they didn't live in what later became 'Lindon', just west of Eriador, but only on the one little island in Ossiriand. :p
 

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