Were the 💀Nazgul kind of weak?

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

coming BACK from bree. Coming too bree he was sarumans.

Dark_wraith · Aug 26, 2002

right then im gonna find that bit about super trolls and quote it for ya in the mornin!!!!!!!!!!

The balrog looked just about right to me. although it would have been amazing to see the fight between it and gandalf, although that could come in the next movie.

Beregond · Aug 26, 2002

Didn't I say that? Or have I misread your post and memory didn't serve correctly after all?

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

the posts are so congested im getting confused! In the next movie they do show the battle.

we should feel proud of ourselves. We made a debate last 2 hours and go 40 some posts. Some threads dont get that in a week.

Beregond · Aug 26, 2002

Go'en yersel' Dark Wraith! Might take you a while though!

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

Originally posted by Beregond
Didn't I say that? Or have I misread your post and memory didn't serve correctly after all?

srry-i missread your post. I agree with you then.

Beregond · Aug 26, 2002

Woohoo stick a stamp on that one!

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

Lets list what weve agreed on so far:

the southroners were in line with bill ferny and saruman.
The nazgul stabbed frodo and the knife disolved
The Nazgul use fear as their weapon
Strider warded off the nazgul
Sauron did not breed orc chickens or super trolls

Grond · Aug 26, 2002

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
...Wraith-there is nothing about trolls in the appendices. Maybe you mean in rotk how treebeard told M and p how trolls were bootleg ents.

Here you are very wrong.

from Appendix F, Of Other Races, Trolls

Trolls Troll has been used to translate the Sindarin Torog. In their beginning far back in the twilight of the Elder Days, these were creatures of dull and lumpish nature and had no more language than beasts. But Sauron had made use of them, teaching them what little they could learn, and increasing their wits with wickedness. Trolls therefore took such language as they could master from the Orcs; and in the Westlands the Stone-trolls spoke a debased form of the Common Speech.

But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known. Some held that they were not Trolls but giant Orcs; but the Olog-hai were in fashion of body and mind quite unlike even the largest of Orc-kind, whom they far surpassed in size and power. Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race, strong, agile, fierce and cunning, but harder than stone. Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun, so long as the will of Sauron held sway over them. They spoke little, and the only tongue that they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dûr.

I'm sure that the Super-trolls that Dark_wraith is referring to are in fact the Olog-hai. I found six different references to Trolls in the appendices.

Beregond · Aug 26, 2002

Don't think Dark Wraith's ready to let the Super Trolls die in peace yet! As for the orc chickens, I believe there was an attempt at making an animated version of the movie even beore Zaents (sp?) and Bahkshi's debacle where the orcs could indeed have been mistaken for chicken monsters!

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

the one appendice i didnt read and the base of an entire argument is in it.

Grond · Aug 26, 2002

It is one of the funnest appendices to read too! I suggest you drag out your book and have a look right now.

Beregond · Aug 26, 2002

While that may help Dark Wraith's argument, I think he said his reerence was in the Fellowship.

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

yes he did! he said he read it near the part where they saw the trolls. But we wont know for sure untill morning.

Grond · Aug 26, 2002

from The Fellowship of the Ring, The Shadow of the Past
The Dark Tower had been rebuilt, it was said. From there the power was spreading far and wide, and away far east and south there were wars and growing fear. Orcs were multiplying again in the mountains. Trolls were abroad, no longer dull-witted, but cunning and armed with dreadful weapons. And there were murmured hints of creatures more terrible than all these, but they had no name.

There is a reference to smarter trolls; yet, I'm not sure they qualify as Super-trolls...but maybe super enough to win his argument.

Anamatar IV · Aug 26, 2002

Grond, where do you find the time to look up all these quotes. Wherever someone is mistaken you show up with a fresh quote. So wraith was right for once. His discriptions are so vague.

Grond · Aug 26, 2002

Would you believe that I'm a very fast typist?? NO?? How about I've got all the works on Word? Not possible. Hmmmmm.... we'll never know.

Dark_wraith · Aug 27, 2002

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew i saw them super trolls somewhere!!!! lol.

I must have read about them in the appendices and not in fellowship then. As for orc chickens, very unlikely but they would look rather funny!!

Oh and as for the animated movie, isnt it a really old one??? I remember it being on at chrimbo a while back. Anyway im gonna see if i can download it from somewhere and im gonna make a music vid to it and then i'll see if i can post it up on here somewhere.

=BeZ=

Dark_wraith · Aug 27, 2002

Hey is it certain that they are gonna show gandalf and the balrog duke it out in the next movie then??? Or is it just wishful thinkin?? I hope they do cos that would be the best fight in movie history!!!! And they had best show the nazgul in their nasty form too.

Maybe The guy can change my mind about the nazgul if he does that!

Anamatar IV · Aug 27, 2002

im sure gandalf and the balrog will be there. BTW-i would think that unless you put that on a website, it would be too big for this forum.

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