What change in the movies ticks you off the most?

Ok I will give you somethin to argue w/. Gandalf was not a Mair, heeehee this is of course not true but @ least you can argue it

O yea and down w/ PJ, this is the Movie forum after all

Down with PJ *the following distasteful comments censored by Ciryaher*

This is slightly off topic but... I went to DC!

I'm back after three days off with the flu. Down with PJ and the arse he rode in on. I hope he has a celebration party cake that looks like one of the horrid Uruk-hai pods and that it tastes just as bad as it looks.

yes, I swear I'll get kicked out when i see the movie in theaters for..complianing!LOL

Tar...you seem to have gotten an attitude adjustment about this whole thing...I like it!

As much as I don't want to do it...I think I will go back to tolkienonline and see the changes that have taken place with TT and RoTK..I know it will make me angry again, but it will give us more to talk about....

Down with PJ! (Thanks for taking up the cry folks!)

BTW, I went to a dollar matinee and they played the FoTR preview with the crazy, sputtering Gandalf (I hate that scene the most out of all the trailers!!)...I am ashamed to say that seeing that preview on the big screen gave me some chills...curse PJ for dampening my enjoyment of this film!!!

I should be back with more damning changes to report...

TT / RoTK Changes

Grrrrrrrr..

More changes, though not as disturbing as FoTR.
The changes here are only those with a credibility rating between 3/5 - 5/5. There are many others with 0-2 crediblility rating that are disturbing. Hopefully they are not true.

Here we go...

The Two Towers

- There are elves fighting at Helm's Deep
- Legolas fights with two knives and a sword in addition to bow
- Uruk-hai have metal plated armor grafted onto their skin
- Elves and Uruk-hai have Samurai-style armor
- Theodred's funeral is shown (with Gandalf present)
- Treebeard smacks Merry and Pippen across the head with a stick before picking them up.
- Faramir roughly cuts Frodo's leather jerkin to expose the ring when Sam accidentally lets it's identity slip (give me a break!)
- Saruman is killed by Wormtongue pushing him onto some sort of spiked wheel where he is impaled. (This has to occur at Orthanc, yet Christopher Lee says Saruman is in all three movies. (?)
- Sam hits Gollum in head with a pan (accidentally, I think, for comic relief)

There is alot of reports about Arwen being involved somewhat in practically EVERYTHING (Helm's Deep, blowing horn of Arkenbrand and I think being in Gondor) Some of them have a credibility of 2 people! and are backed up by TORN. This is truly disheartening.

Return of the King

- Prince Imrahil not in any of the films
- Gondor's soldiers wear plated armor instead of chain mail (giving a Mideval look that Tolkien did not intend)
- There are battles inside Minas Tirith
- The ring chain cuts into Frodo's neck (showing the "heaviness" of the ring) the closer he gets to Mordor.
- Scouring of the Shire shown when Frodo looks into the Mirror of Galadriel, and apparently it is caused by Ted Sandyman instead of Saruman being behind it.
- Aragorn and Arwen's deaths are shown with a voice over by Frodo (Basically what's in the Appendix)

Like I said, there are many others, though there credibility rating is low. Yet, they are all supposedly backed up by TORN. So they could all be true. Check them out for yourself.

"Aragorn and Arwen's deaths are shown with a voice over by Frodo (Basically whats it the Appendix)"

If he screwes this up (which he undoubtedly shall) I vow to murder the man! (Or would if I weren't a somewhat extreme pacifist... )

MAN!!!! I don;t know if I should even be involved in this thread anymore. It moves me closer and closer to not wanting to see the movie

O WELL I will still stay and complain, DOWN W? PJ (It is kinda becoming a tradition, lol)

I find the comment "Samurai-style armor" a bit disturbing since there are no mentioning of Samurai look-alikes in LoTR..

I would not be too hasty to damn the film, I will watch the film and then comment on how bad it is. Although I do understand how people can be anxious, there does appear to be many superfluous changes to the whole thing. We'll see, I suppose. When does it come out in the UK, is is December 19th? Anyone know?

Yes.

I'm making a new movie based on the last days of Jesus' life…

It's going to be an astonishingly vivid production that will bring the original story and characters alive on the big screen…well, I WILL be making a few changes in the interest of Cinematic Constraints. For starters I'm having to leave out Harrod because of the time limits, but on the brighter side I'm filming the actual stories in Christ's parables so that the audience can actually SEE the events instead of just hearing Jesus describe them! Oh, and when Christ busts up the Marketplace Mary will ride in on an ass and snatch Jesus up, taking him on a chase away from the Pharasees to the outskirts of the city where she will recite an incantation that will confuse the Jewish Priests and scatter them…

Also, in the interest of making it more exciting, Jesus and Pilate get into a fist fight. Pilate is a bigger player in my version too, and his Roman Centurions will hatch from eggs instead of being born, which is MUCH creepier…And the head Centurion will be a nasty guy, Lurtzimus is his name. Jesus will escape from Pilate by whispering a message to a Locust, who goes and gets help.

There will be a few other changes, but nothing drastic…Judas dies sooner in the story, the Romans wear Samurai armor and one of the Apostles wears boots instead of sandals, little things like that…So it's not EXCATLY like the book, it's more like MY VERSION of the story, but I'm not going to make any changes that anyone would be upset by…

RW, hate to break it to you but LOTR is not up their with the bible and you really can't fairly compare the two. I realize that you were only kidding, but, although I love LOTR, it IS just a book. And to billions of people around the world the bible tells them how to live their lives. If LOTR is that big a part of anyone's life... well... that's not good.

Your comparison is brilliant. The Bible is sacred but distorting it is no different than distorting TLOTR. As a matter of fact, The Last Temptation of Christ was very much just that..... humanizing Christ almost to the point where you don't recognize him as the Son of God. What a great analogy.

Rosie,

I see your point, but then you should know by now that I am an agnostic comparative mythologist and so the two are equal in my own eyes...

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Your comparison is brilliant. The Bible is sacred but distorting it is no different than distorting TLOTR. As a matter of fact, The Last Temptation of Christ was very much just that..... humanizing Christ almost to the point where you don't recognize him as the Son of God. What a great analogy.

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I love LOTR dearly, but IT'S JUST A BOOK!!!! I realize that to non-christians the bible is also only a book, and that's ok with me. But there is no group that I know of that sees LOTR as something more then a piece of fiction.

Rosie, I, too, am a Christian. My agreement with ReadWryt's analogy has absolutely nothing to do with my faith. It has to do with distorting TRUTH.. There are biblical truths that should not be distorted and there are literary and artistic truths which, to many of us are sacred also and should not be distorted. That doesn't mean that the two works are of comparable worth. The Bible is much more meaningful and important to me personally than are the works of any mortal man; but, the integrity of all works, spiritual and artistic, should be protected and not distorted in the name of the almight dollar. At least that's the way I see it..... but I could be wrong.

Exactly the point, Grond.

I'm so amazed that so many people here miss a point and are lost on analogy...



I am a Christian as well and I believe that RW's comparison had nothing to do with level of importance, but the idea of distortion. Come to think of it, Last Temptation of Christ was to Christians what PJ's FoTR is to Tolkien fans...

1) Scorsese and Jackson have ugly characters playing the beautiful ones (Willem Dafoe), FoTR has Elrond's actor and Cate Blanchett.

2) They have other characters doing things out of character, thus distorting the importance of who they were (Christ imagining himself sleeping with Mary) FoTR has crazy Gandalf and Xen-Arwen.

Amazing what Hollywood will do with the sacred text (whether spirtual or literal). It's even amazing how many people accept it and call it good entertainment...

Rosie apparently can only see one side of the coin. Perhaps she has been accused of extreme fanaticism or high geekdom for her knowlege of LotR at some point and cannot get past the idea that it's equally wrong to change any story so extensively, no matter if it is Fiction, Truth or whoever BELIEVES it to be one or the other, when you are telling huge swaths of the potential viewers of the movie that it is as close to a literal adaptation as is possible.

At least when Marion Zimmer Bradley published "Mists of Avalon", she made it known widely that she was retelling the story from a different perspective, and that changes in the Arthurian Legend had been made in the process. What Jackson is doing is akin to that guy that stands outside the tent at the sideshow who tells you that for a dollar you can see a real live honest to god Unicorn, and when you get inside the tent you realize that what you are seeing is a Goat that only has one horn...

All right, I understand the whole point of the bible analogy a bit better now, and I'll admit that I over reacted a tiny bit. When I first read it, all that jumped out at me was someone comparing LOTR to the bible. I think I undestand the whole point of it better now. But if everyone held true to:

it's equally wrong to change any story so extensively, no matter if it is Fiction, Truth or whoever BELIEVES it to be one or the other, when you are telling huge swaths of the potential viewers of the movie that it is as close to a literal adaptation as is possible.

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the world would have a lot less quality movies then it does now.