What change in the movies ticks you off the most?

[Tar-Ancalime]

I could really care i'm going to see anything goes tonight!
Ents are cool,

 

[Greymantle]

Has anyone else seen the Bree movie?

“When the hobbits arrive at the Bree gates, they arrive in the pouring rain, and are looking for…a…a…tavern called the Prancing Pony.” –Dominic Monaghan (Merry)

“There’s a darkness, a slightly Gothic-age to Bree. The buildings’ll felt as though they looked—sort of looming in over you.” -Dan Hennah (Grammatically Impaired Supervising Art Director)

“…and so Bree is, in the books, and in the movies, the first time that the hobbits...y’know…have begun an adventure, I suppose, that is perilous.” –Sean Astin (Sam)

Bah! PJ lying to his ignorant actors and production workers, again!

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

I beg to differ...It was in a sense, thinka bout it the wraiths were in their and it was a firstreal with a wraith. So if you look at it it could be besides it's all basis of opionin he's putting his veiw of the book, and that he has every right too!

Name me a book that was accurately portrayed in a movie!?
(ha take that greymantle!)

 

[Thorin]

Tar, I think what Greymantle was trying to portray is that the actors don't even know what's going on in terms of the relation of the movie to the book. That is pretty sad...

Plus, Bree is not the beginning of their adventure, which proves Grey's point even more. According to the movie it is because PJ has cut out Bombadil and the barrow wights. According to the book, they have had encounters with the Ringwraiths before Bree, and their adventure began when they reached Woody End. Which means the actors don't even know what happens. They are speaking according to their experience with the movie.

Your little jibe to Greymantle at the end of your post, shows (like always) that you are missing the point of what us purists are talking about and why we have a problem with PJ altering LoTR. I am not even going to waste my breath explaining it to you again for the umpteenth time because you are not going to get it again.

And if you've seen The Rainmaker and Misery, you will see two pretty good examples of movies that follow the book quite (not exactly) well, even down to narration and dialogue.

 

[Beorn]

The Green Mile
The Hunt for Red October

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

yes i miss points but it's all basis of personal opinion. I want a good laugh now and then does that make me an anti-purists? I want to enjoy a movie am I being a non-lotr fan?I heard the elijah wood read lotr before so did bilbo and gandalfs actor, christopher lee reads lotr once a year since 25 years ago. I find that good evidence that they do know what they're talking about.

 

[ReadWryt]

I thought the Green Mile took place over a much longer period of time in the book, but I may be wrong..As for the Actors being kept in the dark about the real meaning and characterizations in the books, let me remind you that the Peter Jackson Publicity department LOVES to use the quote from PJ saying that he and the actors allways read the section of the book that they are about to film...so there goes THAT theory..hehe

I still say that "The Color Purple" came the closest to being the direct screen adaptation of a story I have ever seen in my life...otherwise you need to go back to the early 60's and before and look there. It seems that when Television came along and started stealing viewers, the film industry decided that they needed to start doing things that Television simply could NOT do, so they started putting more Sex in here and more Violence in there...a bit more action and less real plot, until now if you were to propose making "To Kill a Mocking Bird" into a movie today, it would have two steamy sex scenes, at least one grusome and gore filled murder and a kickass car chase. The problem here is that this is "Sword and Scorcery" Fantasy so far as Hollywood is concerned, and so steamy sex is out...but beefing up the role of half of the Love Interest would be analogous..and a Car Chase isn't possible, but a Horse Chase can, and IS, done. As for Violence, well...a nice Wizard's Duel could suffice in the first film quite nicely...are you seeing a pattern here, because you should. Hell, I'm not even certain that New Line didn't TELL PJ to put all that crap into the film to give it mass appeal, but if that was true then he shouldn't be taking credit for doing with this story what Spielburg had little or no trouble with in "The Color Purple"...

As for Christopher Lee...well..We are talking about a guy who was not beneath taking cheap roles in wretched Hammer Films productions of every incarnation of Dracula imaginable, so I can see where the money in his pocket was not problem...how else do you explain why he has said nothing about his character apparently being killed at Orthanc as an expedience to the fact that the Scouring of the Shire has been left out?

 

[Grond]

ReadWryt, I agree with you.

The Color Purple was magnificently adapted to the screen and so was Mario Puzo's "The Godfather". Much was left out of the Godfather but nothing was really added. Distorting the plot line with added characters and romances that were not portrayed in the books strays way to far off the path of what is normally deemed Hollywood writer's perogative.

I'll still enjoy the movie, but as a 30 year fan of JRRT, I find it replusive that we have cocoons and Lurtz and Zew-Arwen. Frodo resisting the Riders by himself at the Ford of Bruinen is one of the most valiant and meaningful parts of the book. It shows Frodo true character and his true strength. Even Elrond comments on Frodo's character and steel will. Having Liv Tyler (Zen-Arwen) steal that scene to lend credence to her involvement in the story is a true distortion of Tolkien's intent and goes way beyond the line of artistic interpretation.

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

That totally sucks! Grond, that was frodo's big moment when he showed his stuff and because of womens lib. Peter Jackass can, i cant say it but

 

[Greymantle]

This is an apparent change of heart! I detect a new hostility towards Mr. Jackson coming from you, Tar.... mwahahaha.....

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

oh it's not a hostility just a mood change, I'm still watching and enjoying the movie.The fact that peter jackass is in it makes no difference

 

[Greymantle]

Well, excuse me if I interpreted you calling him a "jackass" as hostility!
Most of us would agree with you.

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

It's just a moodswing, and yes i find his fat jackassy ass insulting.stealing frodo's glory for womens lib.

 

[Greymantle]

It's not that, IMNSHO. He's doing it for money and for an appeal to a modern audience.

 

[Tar-Ancalime]

I know, I know and it's soooo depressing that if he's the lotr fan he preaches to be he'd sabotoge the story of a lifetime!

 

[Thorin]

Well Tar, I guess you are starting to see the point. In itself it may be a good movie. I know that the parts that are true to Tolkien will be good.

But I know that I will wish that I didn't know anything about Tolkien when I see it. I probably would enjoy it more....Now PJ has stolen that away from us...crapping all over the greatest book of the 20th century.

The only real salvation for all those waiting decades to see Tolkien's masterpiece come to life....and he blows it for selfish gain and lies to all the fans about it as well.

Down with PJ!!!!!

 

[Mithrandir]

Amen Bro,
DOWNW/ PJ!!!!

 

[Hama]

I am quite annoyed by Arwen's increased role (even though I think Liv Tyler is very attractive). I can live with some of the other things , although they are hard to swallow. Saruman's early death is better than lets say, no death at all or no Saruman. The cocoons the orcs are bad. I think PJ should have avoided their creations completely, but hey, this movie has to remain PG 13. Anyway, Tolkien never went into details on how Orcs are born, and how they age. Gandalf's personality is also something I can live with. Even though he is a powerful figure in the book, there are times when he seems quite human, although he should be the last to 'splutter'. I disagree with the additions of new characters, like the evil Kurtz (Ha ha Apocalypse now!) or whatever the orc's name is.

I agree that PJ is not a faithful, and he should not claim to be one, but we should give the guy a break.

He is making my dream come alive - a relatively faithful adaption to the silver screen of my favorite book.

As long as it is a reasonble bit more accurate than the animated Hobbit (has anyone else seen that?) I will be satisfied.

 

[Grond]

Gosh, Hama, you sound just like I did a week ago when I joined this board. The most upsetting thing about the whole set of movies is the ommission of The Scouring of the Shire. The pinaccle of the book was not the crowning of Aragorn as King or the restoration of the kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor; it was the transformation of the Hobbits. They left the Shire not knowing what they were or what they were capable of and came home to thrust evil from their land and be remebered among the greatest of all the peoples. Upon reaching the borders of The Shire Gandalf says to Merry, "You are grown up now. Grown indeed very high; among the great you are, and I have no longer any fear at all for any of you."

Later, Saruman comments, "You have grown, Halfling.... Yes, you have grown very much. You are wise and cruel. You have robbed my revenge of sweetness and now I must go hence in bitterness, in debt to your mercy....." How on Earth can you leave that out?????????

 

[Telchar]

Well, if what you say is true, whitch I don't know, and The Scouring of the Shire isn't in the movie I fear that PJ has chosen Aragorn as the great hero..