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What would the Balrog have done if the ring had fallen into his hands

To say that no one could master the ring except sauron is slighty inaccurate IMO. To say that no one could master the ring AND not turn evil would be nearer the mark. Didn't Galadriel say that "Instead of the dark lord you shall have a queen" when she was offered it. And also sauron himself was very worried that another should lay claim to it and wield it, as stated by gandalf. Sauron thought that the ring was taken to gondor, and i think he suspected that aragorn would try and weild it, after he revealed himself to sauron in the stone.
 
But with the Ring existing Sauron is existing and will simply rise up again every few ages and need to be put down. He cannot be destroyed if the ring exists. . .so would you have to just put up with him or would there be a way to dominate him through the ring?

If Tolkien said it could be mastered, I believe him, and I don't believe you guys would lie to me, so I'll accept the correction on that point (as I've said elsewhere, my Tolkien knowledge does not encompass the HoME or Letters. . .I'm working on the Letters. . . and I'm often left out on info on that point).

It does leave me curious about the Eternal Sauron bit.

Second question, how apt would the Balrog be to fight against Sauron who, though his under-ranker, was the heir apparent of Morgoth? Definitely, the forces of evil have had their squabbles, but with Sauron's goal the basic domination of middle earth (perhaps with someday a return of Melkor), would the Balrog assist him in that?
 
It is my opinion that mastering the ring requires overcoming the will of Sauron. I think Sauron would be reduced to an impotent wraith... but that is speculation.

I don't think it is helpful to think of Sauron as Morgoth's "heir apparent" - I don't think such rules of inheritance apply. The rule of the most powerful is what would count.
 

I had wondered if it was Pippin, actually, throwing that rock down the well.


Your second argument about the Ring being a transportation device would only apply to mortals. Elves, Mair, and Valar were already in both realms at once. That would definitely include Sauron himself, who obviously had worn the Ring.

As for the Balrog, it too was a Mair. Gandalf even mentioned that the Balrog somehow changed form after falling into the water at the bottom of Kazardum.

Sauron was definitely a shape shifter, though, like Melkor, it seemed that his ability to change forms was limited the more damage he took and the more evil he fell into. Melkor could eventually only take the form of a Dark Lord. Sauron, after his "death" at the fall of Numenor, though he got his body back, could never appear in a fair form ever again.

So while the Balrog's evil may have caused it to not look like a"good guy" anymore, it may have been able to take a form to wear the Ring.


To be quite blunt, I'm not sure Sauron ever anticipated LOSING the Ring in the first place when he made it. His plan was to ensnare the Elves with his Ring, which, if it had succeeded, would have brought about the end of the free Elven kingdoms of Middle Earth, and would surely have resulted in a loss in the Last Alliance Battle as the Elves wouldn't have been there.

Besides, other Mair like Gandalf could have possessed it, as could the Elves, dwarves, or even the men of Numenor now in Gondor. Making it only work in humanoid form wouldn't stop any of them from wielding it.
 
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