Vardarianna
Princess of Arnor and Gondor
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Taking the topic back to OP's point, I've seen people claim to be "liberal Christians" who in the next breath leap in bed (figuratively speaking) with the most vile, Satanic people imaginable.
Thats a very atheist one sided view on it. Crusades wasnt about killing in the name of religion. It was self defense. You could argue same way Middle East conflicts revolves around Palestine. But... if you look at 700 or 800 AD, the Muslims where going into Spain etc. So the response was towards a proxy war.... It's 'true' for you if you believe that. You know, a majority of the New Testament was written by Apostle Paul after Jesus physically left the world. Killing in the name of religion through the millennia has been responsible for a lot of death.
Thats a very atheist one sided view on it.
In the end, the only losers are the victims of war. Whereas the guy on top reaps the reward
European Norwegian here. (And i apologized if i assumed, its just i have heard that old argument before of religion being cause of all wars etc, its too easy of an argument.... as opposed to a very evangelical christian one-sided view which has been presented here in this thread?
"it"? what "it" are you specifying? War? I said 'a lot of death' not 'all' deaths.
You appear to be assuming I am an atheist. You know, I believe in Jesus. I do not believe in the American nationalist 'christian' hijacking of Jesus.
I do agree with this.
The two aren't mutually exclusive, this is just selection bias considering the people who I used to interact with were mostly on the left/liberal end of things, considering I'm generally on the left.Wow. I find it's the other way around. I see daily people who proclaim themselves to be 'conservative christian' do things that are completely opposite from what Jesus says They do 'bad' things. It's pretty clear in the four gospels what Jesus teaches. I fail to see how turning this discussion into praise of christianity hs bringing it back to the OP's point.
'ZaaactlyThe two aren't mutually exclusive, this is just selection bias considering the people who I used to interact with were mostly on the left/liberal end of things, considering I'm generally on the left.
I was off for a while, and missed this thread entirely, but I want to remind everyone to read the Rules Thread.
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Yes, and to add a little background, threads on these subjects too often degenerated into acrimony and hurt feelings. in fact, an attempt was made to move them to another forum altogether, but the same things happened there, so it was decided to make them off limits.the wild-west flame wars of the turn of the century that led to the Religion rule (and the politics rule),
I was surprised to find this thread in the first place and kinda wondered what it was doing here. 😂You earned yourself an 'eye-roll' Squinty. 😆
I think some who believe in whatever sect/division of christian faith may take having special hidden forums catering to them as a ticket of emboldenment to let their version of morality to spill out on the public forums, which is a direct violation of the clearly-stated 'Religion' clause of the rules. Except for the wild-west flame wars of the turn of the century that led to the Religion rule (and the politics rule), that rule has pretty much always been respected going into this decade. I don't think a thread like this would have been allowed to stand before then. Reading through this, there are clearly those stating their religious views as 'fact', and those who take exception to having those views stated as fact. There is nothing really 'Tolkien' about this thread from what I can see. That is my 2¢
"doppleganger"
For some reason, this made me think about something.I want a good guy now, enough non-chalance, it always breaks hearts
besides, I want to be loved not just be in love
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Imagine if Adam had not been so dimwitted as to follow her.. Imagine if Eve had never listened to the serpent in the garden of Eden!....
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