Why Watch 'Rings of Power'?

[The Void]

Rings of Power.

A dark distraction to those awaken at the shores of Cuivienen and are led into shadow by Melkor the Media. While those who who stick to the books, follow the path into the west to Valinor.

 

[ZehnWaters]

I get that, and I don’t blame you. I’m still watching them with an intense morbid curiosity to see how the 8th episode (season finale after only 8 episodes???) pans out. If the weird old man from the meteorite turns out to be Gandalf, that will be the final nail in the RoP coffin for me. Tom Shippey told them ages ago they were ruining the lore of Tolkien, and for that they (allegedly) sacked him. It’s the Gandalf thing for me. The Valar did not send the Maiar by airmail (non-hot) rocks!

lol My morbid curiosity is actually starting to increase now that I've internalized that it's just an AU fanfic. It's still...dumb (even by AU standards) but I'm finding it easier to laugh.

 

[Kiredor]

As I mentioned in a previous post, I see Amazon’s (laughable) version being aimed at the younger demographic (more gullible) audiences. Now, if that means we have to have large, black female Scottish dwarves, gay elves, rubbish wardrobes, non-established actors, and Eru-awful (see what I did there? 😉) writing, then so be it. If this inspires the younger generation to actually read Tolkien’s work and admire the original world of Arda, then than can only be a good thing.
btw, I’m Scottish and to my unelfish-like ears her accent is passable. Don’t know why she’s not cooking Haggis for Elrond though; I’m sure he’d love it.

 

[ZehnWaters]

Don’t know why she’s not cooking Haggis for Elrond though; I’m sure he’d love it.

Because she's Scottish. GET IT?! lol Stereotyping is okay some of the time it would seem.

 

[Olorgando]

Don’t know why she’s not cooking Haggis for Elrond though; I’m sure he’d love it.

From the little bit of reading I've done about Haggis, I'd guess it's a descendant of Éowyn's stew from the films ... or possibly the other way around.

PJ & Co. at least didn't try for that fermented Greenland shark "delicacy" of Iceland. Seems to take close to a year of non-intuitive "preparation" just to become non-toxic ...

 

[Kiredor]

From the little bit of reading I've done about Haggis, I'd guess it's a descendant of Éowyn's stew from the films ... or possibly the other way around.

PJ & Co. at least didn't try for that fermented Greenland shark "delicacy" of Iceland. Seems to take close to a year of non-intuitive "preparation" just to become non-toxic ...

Haggis is a marmite thing. you either love or hate it.

Because she's Scottish. GET IT?! lol Stereotyping is okay some of the time it would seem.

Good one!

 

[Ealdwyn]

From the little bit of reading I've done about Haggis, I'd guess it's a descendant of Éowyn's stew from the films ... or possibly the other way around.

Haggis is delicious! 😋

 

[Radaghast]

I just can't even with this series. Are they only now, IN THE SEVENTH EPISODE, mentioning Celeborn? I'm only following through recaps and video reviews so feel free to correct me, anyone. But if so that is monumentally horrendous writing. And that is before you even consider that it goes against the source by saying he's dead (though that could change, I suppose). You can't set up the protagonist's motivation as being revenge for her brother and then say, oh, by the way, she has/d a husband too. WHAT?!

And that is only scratching the surface. Absolutely horrible.

 

[CheriptheRipper]

I just can't even with this series. Are they only now, IN THE SEVENTH EPISODE, mentioning Celeborn? I'm only following through recaps and video reviews so feel free to correct me, anyone. But if so that is monumentally horrendous writing. And that is before you even consider that it goes against the source by saying he's dead (though that could change, I suppose). You can't set up the protagonist's motivation as being revenge for her brother and then say, oh, by the way, she has/d a husband too. WHAT?!

And that is only scratching the surface. Absolutely horrible.

As for your question, yes this is the first time he's been mentioned.
Also her exact words were that she's not seen him ever again. So yeah probably not dead, just been missing for a while.

 

[The Void]

I've eaten worse than Haggis or Black Pudding. Even Vegimite (Marmite).
I do agree that it is kinda aiming at the younger demographic.

Here's a little link for promoting ROP in a positive light against what John Rhys-Davies said about it.
Maybe ROP is made for 'hobbits'?
[Edit} Link had adverts in it, so I deleted it. Sorry.

 

[ZehnWaters]

As for your question, yes this is the first time he's been mentioned.
Also her exact words were that she's not seen him ever again. So yeah probably not dead, just been missing for a while.

I wanna know who's taking care of Celebrían.

Here's a little link for promoting ROP in a positive light against what John Rhys-Davies said about it.

What'd JRD have to say about it?

Maybe ROP is made for 'hobbits'?

It certainly doesn't paint them in the best light.

 

[Radaghast]

What'd JRD have to say about it?

It certainly doesn't paint them in the best light.

Agreed. They are horrid, just like everything else about RoP.

 

[ZehnWaters]

Agreed. They are horrid, just like everything else about RoP.

Everyone is pretty atrocious in that show. Galadriel is manipulative and vindictive. Elrond is serial liar. The Harfoots are sociopaths. The Númenóreans are inexplicably weak and unskilled warriors. Arondir is an oppressor "for their own good". Dísa and Durin seem to be the only two decent people.

 

[Kiredor]

Maybe it's just me and my connection to JRR, being British and all that chaps, (oops, and chapesses -sl), but the 'American' writers having not read the books or understanding the lore of Tolkien, and having a different education in using the 'English' language (No! American-English is not English) are on a hiding to nothing.
They have no comprehension of philology (the study of language in oral and written historical sources. Also, covers the intersection of textual criticism, literary criticism, history, and linguistics.) That's why the writing, and what oral nonsense the actors are saying, doesn't ring true to what most Tolkien fans relate to.
I already knew this would happen before RoP began, and in that, ignored the indifference to their not-so-subtle nuances. I understand why many of my fellow Tolkien admirers shudder at the sound of inaccurate utterances and obvious (or are they?) mistakes.
It doesn't help that they (of which they are 'So proud!) set out to remove some of the 'straight, white, patriarchal' elements and introduce the social demographics of today. Personally, I don't mind the additional aspects of social inclusion, but to bastardize (Yes, that's how you spell it - 'To lower in quality or character; debase.') the core elements of Tolkien's work is reprehensible beyond measure.
Hey ho, last episode this Friday...

 

[Ealdwyn]

Maybe it's just me and my connection to JRR, being British and all that chaps, (oops, and chapesses -sl), but the 'American' writers having not read the books or understanding the lore of Tolkien, and having a different education in using the 'English' language (No! American-English is not English) are on a hiding to nothing.
They have no comprehension of philology (the study of language in oral and written historical sources. Also, covers the intersection of textual criticism, literary criticism, history, and linguistics.) That's why the writing, and what oral nonsense the actors are saying, doesn't ring true to what most Tolkien fans relate to.
I already knew this would happen before RoP began, and in that, ignored the indifference to their not-so-subtle nuances. I understand why many of my fellow Tolkien admirers shudder at the sound of inaccurate utterances and obvious (or are they?) mistakes.
It doesn't help that they (of which they are 'So proud!) set out to remove some of the 'straight, white, patriarchal' elements and introduce the social demographics of today. Personally, I don't mind the additional aspects of social inclusion, but to bastardize (Yes, that's how you spell it - 'To lower in quality or character; debase.') the core elements of Tolkien's work is reprehensible beyond measure.
Hey ho, last episode this Friday...

I don't think it's that the writers are American - there are plenty of Americans with a deep understanding of the lore. The writers quite simply haven't bothered to try to understand it. They've just taken a bunch of fantasy tropes and thrown them together, without caring if it's true to canon or not.

I imagine it went something like this....

 

[ZehnWaters]

Maybe it's just me and my connection to JRR, being British and all that chaps, (oops, and chapesses -sl), but the 'American' writers having not read the books or understanding the lore of Tolkien, and having a different education in using the 'English' language (No! American-English is not English) are on a hiding to nothing.
They have no comprehension of philology (the study of language in oral and written historical sources. Also, covers the intersection of textual criticism, literary criticism, history, and linguistics.) That's why the writing, and what oral nonsense the actors are saying, doesn't ring true to what most Tolkien fans relate to.
I already knew this would happen before RoP began, and in that, ignored the indifference to their not-so-subtle nuances. I understand why many of my fellow Tolkien admirers shudder at the sound of inaccurate utterances and obvious (or are they?) mistakes.
It doesn't help that they (of which they are 'So proud!) set out to remove some of the 'straight, white, patriarchal' elements and introduce the social demographics of today. Personally, I don't mind the additional aspects of social inclusion, but to bastardize (Yes, that's how you spell it - 'To lower in quality or character; debase.') the core elements of Tolkien's work is reprehensible beyond measure.
Hey ho, last episode this Friday...

I would have gladly welcomed increased representation. I always imagined the Númenóreans as dark (see below; click to enlarge). Since the Númenóreans were mariners who explored the whole world I also expected to see other lands, and there engage in a variety of demographics. But to have every culture have demographics that just happen to mimic those of the USA, in an era before mass travel is...inexplicable.

I don't think it's that the writers are American - there are plenty of Americans with a deep understanding of the lore. The writers quite simply haven't bothered to try to understand it. They've just taken a bunch of fantasy tropes and thrown them together, without caring if it's true to canon or not.

I imagine it went something like this....

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True of almost every reboot in the last 7 years, unfortunately.

 

[Radaghast]

Everyone is pretty atrocious in that show. Galadriel is manipulative and vindictive. Elrond is serial liar. The Harfoots are sociopaths. The Númenóreans are inexplicably weak and unskilled warriors. Arondir is an oppressor "for their own good". Dísa and Durin seem to be the only two decent people.

As or the latest episode, even that last has been questioned.

I don't think it's that the writers are American - there are plenty of Americans with a deep understanding of the lore. The writers quite simply haven't bothered to try to understand it. They've just taken a bunch of fantasy tropes and thrown them together, without caring if it's true to canon or not.

I imagine it went something like this....

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I don't know whether to put a laughing or sad emoji on this post 🤔

 

[Kiredor]

I don't think it's that the writers are American - there are plenty of Americans with a deep understanding of the lore. The writers quite simply haven't bothered to try to understand it. They've just taken a bunch of fantasy tropes and thrown them together, without caring if it's true to canon or not.

I imagine it went something like this....

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Sorry, I didn't mean to say that Americans who read Tolkien don't understand the Lore. I have spoken with many Americans who get into deeper meaning of the world of Arda more than most. It was Amazon's writers I was taking aim at. They have admitted as much at not reading the books in-depth (A must for Tolkien works). They use limited speech for the actors to convey their 'trope' lines. Have we heard over two sentences strung together by any of the cast without a pause? No. In most dialogue cases they utter their one or two lines, then the camera view changes before the next line, so it's obvious they have only spoken two sentences. And the simplistic English used sometimes doesn't even make sense, or even appear as genuine conversations.

Kudos on the cartoon mate. LMAO at that one.

 

[CheriptheRipper]

I wanna know who's taking care of Celebrían.

I know nothing about her but the way they're going about some things in the show I suppose they're just gonna use her as a mystery and cliffhanger somewhere. Also, can't she take care of herself?
Maybe she's not yet around. Or she went to war as well and missing as a result. Well I could keep guessing all day, I figure we'll see in a year or so.

Everyone is pretty atrocious in that show. Galadriel is manipulative and vindictive. Elrond is serial liar. The Harfoots are sociopaths. The Númenóreans are inexplicably weak and unskilled warriors. Arondir is an oppressor "for their own good". Dísa and Durin seem to be the only two decent people.

I wanted to say Durin as well, love him. Disa had a crazy glow in her eyes last episode so she's obviously Sauron /s.
No clue what Al Pharazon should be like but I like him so far as well.

Spoiler

I like Elendil as well but this fake out Isil death really changed his whole stance on elves real quick. Don't dig this new one as much.

 

[Radaghast]

"Oh, by the way, I have a daughter with Celeborn. But she's okay. She's staying with Grandmama."