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The Never Asked Question

I am doing some research for a writing and my question is:

Does Tolkien anywhere in The Lord of the Rings mention the specific words "Children of the World"? If not does he make reference to the word "children" in some content?

carol
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He does once use the words "Children of the World" in Appendix F of the LotR
From LotR: Appendix F
Elves has been used to translate both Quendi, 'the speakers', the High-elven name of all their kind, and Eldar, the name of the Three kindreds that sought of the Undying Realm and came there at the beginning of Days (save the Sindar only. This old word was indeed the only one available, and was once fitted to apply to such memories of this people as men preserved, or to the making of Men's minds not wholly dissimilar. But it has been diminished, ant to many it may now suggest fancies either pretty or silly, as unlike to the Quendi of old as are butterflies to the swift falcon - not that any of the Quendi ever possessed wings of the body, as unnatural to them as to Men. They were a race high and beautiful, the older Children of the world, and among them the Eldar were as kings, who now are gone; the People of the Great Journey, the people of the Stars. they were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin; and their voices had more melodies than any mortal voice that now is heard. They were valiant, but the history of those that returned to Middle-earth in exile was grievous; and though it was in far-off days crossed by the fate of the Fathers, their fate is not that of Men. Their dominion passed long ago, and they dwell now beyond the circles of the world, and do not return.

He refers to Men and Elves more often as "Children of Eru" or "Children of Ilúvatar" though he does not do this in the LotR.
 
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I don't think 'the world' is used much in LotR, as it has too many connotations with the here and now. Tolkien uses 'children of God' quite a lot in 'Letters'; being free, outside of the story itself, of his self-imposed expunging of religion from the LotR; but I can't find reference to 'children of the world' in them.
 
Who really was Eru Illuvitar and what did he create Arda for? Did he take any incarnations in Ea?How the Children of Illuvitar were created?
 
I have my doubts as to whether those questions will ever be answered.
 
Who really was Eru Illuvitar and what did he create Arda for? Did he take any incarnations in Ea?How the Children of Illuvitar were created?
This is my selfmade ancestor tree of Eru...

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Yondo-hinya is Eru ...

I don't think that this has been asked in TTF before:
What is the "Osanwe-Kenta"?
I leave this as a homework assignement to our fellow guildmembers.:)
Here it is ... :)
 

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Was there ever a "time period" or any passing of time between Eru's creation of the world and the beginning of the Ainulindale?

You have the question the wrong way round. The Ainulindale is/was the Music of the Ainur where the whole of the future-history of Arda was sung/created.

As for the time between events from the start of the Music to the Creation of Arda, there certainly was great preiods. However, as time is not measured in the Timeless Halls, we have no idea of how long the music lasted or how much was shown in the vision as we are only told that

From The Ainulindale
And some have said that the vision ceased ere the fulfilment of the Dominion of Men and the fading of the Firstborn; where fore, though the music is over all, the Valar have not seen as with sight the Later Ages of the ending of the World.

After this Eru created the world with a single word “Eä!” This did not require any time whatsoever as we see
But when the Valar entered into Eä they were at first astounded and at a loss, for it was as if naught was yet made which they had seen in vision, and all was but on point to begin and yet unshaped, and it was dark. For the Great Music had been but the growth and flowering of the thought in the Timeless halls, and the Vision only a foreshowing; but now they had entered in at the beginning of Time,

Once they had entered time started and
So began their great labours in wastes unmeasured and unexplored, and in ages uncounted and forgotten, until in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the vast halls of Eä there came to be that hour and that place where was made the habitation of the Children of Ilúvatar.

So there was indeed much time between the end of the Music and the Creation of the World, much of it with the Ainur/Valar working on that creation.
Yes, I suppose. Eru might have created the world in more than one day. I think so because Tolkien based Ainulindale on The Bible.

Did he?
Letter 131 To Milton Waldman

The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed. These latter are as we should say angelic powers, whose function is to exercise delegated authority in their spheres (of rule and government, not creation, making or re-making). They are 'divine', that is, were originally 'outside' and existed 'before' the making of the world. Their power and wisdom is derived from their Knowledge of the cosmogonical drama, which they perceived first as a drama (that is as in a fashion we perceive a story composed by some-one else), and later as a 'reality'. On the side of mere narrative device, this is, of course, meant to provide beings of the same order of beauty, power, and majesty as the 'gods' of higher mythology, which can yet be accepted – well, shall we say baldly, by a mind that believes in the Blessed Trinity.

Not “Based on the Bible” but based on many sources, including the Bible.
 

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