BalrogRingDestroyer
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Saruman appears to have long turned against Rohan and the Ents and been planning the downfall of Rohan with Grima. It seems that by the point of The Two Towers, I think Gandalf told them outright that Saruman was an enemy after his escape in Fellowship, they were more or less at open war with Isengard, but even then, it seems that Theoden was too unaware that they were in peril to at least try something (somehow I can't see Wormtongue being able to dupe him THAT badly without the help of some dark magic of Saruman's involved as well.) What's more, Treebeard seems to have at least some inkling that Saruman was no longer a good guy to trees and there had already been attacks already, yet it seems that only the arrival of two Hobbits somehow spurred him to action (why were they the catalyst?). Furthermore, from the chapter The Road to Isengard, it seems that Saruman had been giving the valley of Isengard or the Wizard's Vale a nasty makeover for some years now, yet, despite him being a member of the White Council, and, as far as they knew, a friend of both Rohan, the elves, and the Wise, nobody apparently went to Isengard and noticed the oddities until Gandalf himself showed up (and even he seems to have let his guard down enough that he wasn't at all alarmed until the gate close ominously behind him and he saw Saruman's new outfit, and by then it was too late.)
What's more, even Sauron, who knew that Saruman had turned on the West, never seemed to worried enough that Saruman might try and seize the Ring for himself, as he he close to doing, had not Frodo been spooked by Boromir and left just in time to avoid capture like Merry and Pippin were. Had it not been for the evil marring evil (with the Ring's corruption of Boromir actually serving to keep it from risking capture by either the orcs of Isengard or of the Dark Tower) and had it not been for the infighting of the orcs of Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains, Saruman could have gotten the Ring brought to him, or, if he only captured the two Hobbits, have gotten, more or less, Frodo's likely location out of them (or at least a general place to look, as, thankfully, they weren't the best at geography outside of the Shire and couldn't have told Saruman much even if he could read thier minds or use his voice power on them.) Still, even Sauron seems to have not expected Saruman to raise up his own army either.
So how was it, in the end, that neither Gandalf, Radaghast, Treebeard, Theoden, or even Sauron truly saw what Saruman was up to until much later?
What's more, even Sauron, who knew that Saruman had turned on the West, never seemed to worried enough that Saruman might try and seize the Ring for himself, as he he close to doing, had not Frodo been spooked by Boromir and left just in time to avoid capture like Merry and Pippin were. Had it not been for the evil marring evil (with the Ring's corruption of Boromir actually serving to keep it from risking capture by either the orcs of Isengard or of the Dark Tower) and had it not been for the infighting of the orcs of Mordor, Isengard, and the Misty Mountains, Saruman could have gotten the Ring brought to him, or, if he only captured the two Hobbits, have gotten, more or less, Frodo's likely location out of them (or at least a general place to look, as, thankfully, they weren't the best at geography outside of the Shire and couldn't have told Saruman much even if he could read thier minds or use his voice power on them.) Still, even Sauron seems to have not expected Saruman to raise up his own army either.
So how was it, in the end, that neither Gandalf, Radaghast, Treebeard, Theoden, or even Sauron truly saw what Saruman was up to until much later?

