TrackerOrc
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This is such an enjoyable interchange!A few things here:
1. They are not 'renewed'. They are simply removed to a place where they can heal emotionally in an area (a land) not completely and irreversibly corrupted by Melkor. (Until Eru acts in the end, the 'song is sung aright' and everything is renewed,)
2. I think you might be overlooking the issues of 'morals' and 'motivation' in Gollums case, and in the hobbits'. This is the huge difference.
Gollum NEVER worked on behalf of anyone but himself. Gollum "failed" continually - especially morally. Oh yes, he argued with himself from time to time.. he had his "spaces of opportunity to repent" - but like Saruman at Orthanc, and like Melkor at his opportunity, and Sauron at his - Gollum did not 'repent'.
No, to the end, he simply wanted the ring for himself.
Frodo and Bilbo and Sam were honored, and received a 'purgatory' and life for a time in peace away from the corrupted 'evil that remains'
Why Bilbo, we say? What did he do?
Well, it wasn't just his 'keeping of the ring' for a few years. It was his willingness to sacrifice himself for the Free Peoples as voiced at the Council.
There is a world of difference between the corrupt Gollum, on whom the ring so quickly acted turning him into a murder of Deagol, and Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam.
Yes, Gollum hid the ring for many years. But the Ring at last acted on its own behalf 'as soon as there was opportunity.'
Why was there opportunity? Sauron had 'taken shape again' and was exerting what power he had. Something not happening for a very long time - in fact, those same number of years.
Recall in The Hobbit Gandalf leaves the party to go 'deal with Sauron' away south in Mirkwood. He is driven out, but only to flee to Mordor, which he has been preparing.
The Ring's decision to move on is completely consistent with Sauron's taking shape and exerting power again. The two are 'in synch.'
There's no reason to attribute any great morals or reasons for Gollum to receive the same kind of consideration as the hobbits.
Other than that he WAS given his opportunities to repent - but failed.
He was not 'pushed beyond his point of endurance' by the power of the Ring as Frodo was - whose failure was not a 'moral' one.
Gollum's failure was driven by a 'moral corruption' from the beginning.
If there is no renewal (and I could probably find a better word, but hopefully this will do) then why not just stay in the Shire? Surely you wouldn't say that the Shire (or many other parts of Middle-earth) have been 'irreversibly corrupted'? Isn't it a place where people can lead perfectly happy lives? So why make the journey if there isn't something 'extra' to be had?
I think Gollum always gets a terrible press and I've never understood why. If I hadn't fixed on old Tracker Orc, then I'd definitely have had poor old Gollum as my avatar, as I think he's probably the most interesting character in the entire book.
I think saying that he 'simply wanted the Ring for himself' does him a great disservice; he has been utterly consumed by the horrible thing and it's absolute need that is driving him. I simply don't think he is corrupt inasmuch as he has been corrupted, which is very different. The fascinating thing about him, for me at least, is that he shows such endurance and courage in the face of this horror.
I mean he could harm the hobbits while they are sleeping but he doesn't - the old Smeagol is still there after centuries of being hollowed out by this malevolent thing, which to me makes him a very moral creature in his own (definitely unique!) way.
And let's flip things over. The hobbits (and the other members of the Fellowship) get all the credit in the world for what they do, but how high a bar is this? Wouldn't anyone expect people to do good instead of bad? Isn't this what we would expect of ourselves? Obviously this doesn't always happen, but I'd say that there's no great moral value in doing what almost anyone would think of as basically 'normal' behaviour.


