AaronSecret
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I would like to ask you why do you think the Valar sometimes intervened so easily, while sometimes not, given that they are the guardians of the Universe?
Did Morgoth manage to deceive them, or was it a matter of their decision not to step in?
What is you opinion on divine assistance and grace in the Sil?
Yes, I do believe Morgoth, as one of them himself, did manage to deceive them at times, because he aimed to achieve exactly their confusion on purpose. And as active guardians, not exactly the silent watchers type, they had the right to step in more openly and actively in Arda's deeds, which means that sometimes they must have chosen they should help for the sake of good fate, or because the person in question deserved the assistance. Instead, at times they must have withdrawn to let the person stand up for himself for the sake of his own growth, or because Eru's Law recommended against it due to free will and free fate development's purpose.
Also, let us remark the fact that the guardian forces undoubtedly often intervened timely and successfully to aid the inhabitants of Middle Earth. Yet sometimes they didn't "manage" to react on time. I think this serves as a deeper metaphor of divine powers allowing fate to develop itself according to the web of life currents, choices and synchronicity's streams.
One specific example: Beren and Luthien, captured by Carcharoth, were on the brink of failure. Just then, Huan arrived unexpectedly and helped them escape, fulfilling their mission to retrieve a Silmaril. This suggests that the guardian forces are capable of timely intervention but sometimes circumstances require the opposite: be it due to wrong choices that need less outer and higher intervention, be it because of energetic discrepancies that interrupt intervention whilst it is being crafted, or maybe something that only providence can tell, or at least those well acquainted with it!
For example, the lateness of the Valar’s intervention in the First Age can be understood through several layers of themes, including fate, the nature of divine justice, and the unfolding of free will. While the Valar were indeed aware of the events in Middle Earth, their delayed intervention reflects both the consequences of the Noldor's rebellion and the unfolding of a larger, more complex divine plan. The Valar delayed their intervention in the First Age due to the Noldor's rebellion against them. Thus, by allowing the Elves and mortals to face the consequences of their choices, the Valar emphasized the importance of free will and personal responsibility. Their withholding of aid must have been also part of a divine plan, allowing heroes to rise and gain victory over Morgoth through their own struggles. The rebellion and the curse of the Silmarils were key to the Noldor’s eventual redemption, and the Valar’s involvement at the War of Wrath marked the final judgment of Morgoth. The delay in their aid ensured that the defeat of Morgoth and the lessons learned would have lasting significance for the peoples of Middle Earth.
In comparison, Beren and Luthien did indeed deserve aid in the end, but not because of the immediate example of valor on their part alone; it is not about "I give therefore I shall receive with 100% obvious accuracy". Their journey and the help they obtained were woven into the fabric of fate and divine will, where their courage played a crucial role in a larger cosmic struggle.
Did Morgoth manage to deceive them, or was it a matter of their decision not to step in?
What is you opinion on divine assistance and grace in the Sil?
Yes, I do believe Morgoth, as one of them himself, did manage to deceive them at times, because he aimed to achieve exactly their confusion on purpose. And as active guardians, not exactly the silent watchers type, they had the right to step in more openly and actively in Arda's deeds, which means that sometimes they must have chosen they should help for the sake of good fate, or because the person in question deserved the assistance. Instead, at times they must have withdrawn to let the person stand up for himself for the sake of his own growth, or because Eru's Law recommended against it due to free will and free fate development's purpose.
Also, let us remark the fact that the guardian forces undoubtedly often intervened timely and successfully to aid the inhabitants of Middle Earth. Yet sometimes they didn't "manage" to react on time. I think this serves as a deeper metaphor of divine powers allowing fate to develop itself according to the web of life currents, choices and synchronicity's streams.
One specific example: Beren and Luthien, captured by Carcharoth, were on the brink of failure. Just then, Huan arrived unexpectedly and helped them escape, fulfilling their mission to retrieve a Silmaril. This suggests that the guardian forces are capable of timely intervention but sometimes circumstances require the opposite: be it due to wrong choices that need less outer and higher intervention, be it because of energetic discrepancies that interrupt intervention whilst it is being crafted, or maybe something that only providence can tell, or at least those well acquainted with it!
For example, the lateness of the Valar’s intervention in the First Age can be understood through several layers of themes, including fate, the nature of divine justice, and the unfolding of free will. While the Valar were indeed aware of the events in Middle Earth, their delayed intervention reflects both the consequences of the Noldor's rebellion and the unfolding of a larger, more complex divine plan. The Valar delayed their intervention in the First Age due to the Noldor's rebellion against them. Thus, by allowing the Elves and mortals to face the consequences of their choices, the Valar emphasized the importance of free will and personal responsibility. Their withholding of aid must have been also part of a divine plan, allowing heroes to rise and gain victory over Morgoth through their own struggles. The rebellion and the curse of the Silmarils were key to the Noldor’s eventual redemption, and the Valar’s involvement at the War of Wrath marked the final judgment of Morgoth. The delay in their aid ensured that the defeat of Morgoth and the lessons learned would have lasting significance for the peoples of Middle Earth.
In comparison, Beren and Luthien did indeed deserve aid in the end, but not because of the immediate example of valor on their part alone; it is not about "I give therefore I shall receive with 100% obvious accuracy". Their journey and the help they obtained were woven into the fabric of fate and divine will, where their courage played a crucial role in a larger cosmic struggle.
