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What would happen if 🧙Gandalf took on the 💀Nazgul with Frodo?

I'd say Frodo would have points from 9 knives in his chest. Theyed (frodo and Gandalf) would get smoked. I think. What would Frodo do? Gandalf would be defending him, so its basically 9 Nazgul, versus 1 Wizard. I take the Nazgul
 
Well he is one of the Nazgul, so i assume he would be there to. I am the only match for Gandalf, save Sauron. And with the help of 8 other Nazgul i think we would overpower him.
 
Oh yeah are we talking about the Grey or the White? He said that stuff while he was the Grey I think he could probably take them all as the White.
 
Gandalf Chassed some of the Nazgul from the shire and they fled from him. He then fought with 4 or 5 (if I remember correctly)of them on Amon Sul while Argorn was leading the Hobbits through the Midgewater Marshes.

I was only with Difficulty that he defended himself from these and escaped during the following day.

Even as "The White" he did not know if he could defeat the Witch-King.
 
'I do not know, but it seems clear to me that this is what happened. Their Captain remained in secret away south of Bree, while two rode ahead through the village, and four more invaded the Shire. But when these were foiled in Bree and at Crickhollow, they returned to their Captain with tidings, and so left the Road unguarded for a while, except by their spies. The Captain then sent some eastward straight across country, and he himself with the rest rode along the Road in great wrath. 'I galloped to Weathertop like a gale, and I reached it before sundonw on my second day from Bree--and they were there before me. They drew away from me, for they felt the coming of my anger adn they dared not face it while the Sun was in the sky. But they closed round at night, and I was besieged on the hill-top, in the old ring of Amon Sul. I was hard put to it indeed: such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the war-beacons of old.' It clearly says that he defeated the whole nine bunch.
 
Gandalf was strong enough to chase away the Nazgul in the daytime, but at night they were his match-he would have been more powerful than a individual Nazgul but together they were stronger. He wonders whether he has the power to fight the Witch-King-I think if they had met he would have won, but barely. He also chased the Nazgul away when they are attacking Faramir, but that was when he was Gandalf the White.
 
It's not entirely fair to compare fights but Gandalf the Gray was able to defeat a balrog. As the Gray Gandalf's power was severely cloaked. Although he had the elven ring of fire.

Gandalf the Gray was seemingly defenseless against Saruman. A slightly less cloaked Miar who had no elven ring. Would Saruman have defeated the Balrog? How much did the ring of fire help Gandalf? Gandalf the White however was easily able to overcome Saruman.

The Nazgul were mortals given rings of less power than the elven rings. While the witchking had some native power it couldn't have compared to a Miar. In order for the nazgul to have been more powerful than a wizard (Saruman was afraid of them too) their rings must siphon power from Sauron. If it worked like that then the nazgul could have been more powerful than Gandalf. Especially all together and at night.

If Gandalf the White was afraid of the Witchking then he must have dwarfed the balrog who was beaten by the Gray. The story needed strong bad guys but this seems strange.
 
Maybe a funny point, but when Gandalf returned form "beyond thought and time" his clothes were white(different from the ones he had), and how the heck did he still have the ring? Did he inhabit the same body? What about the clothes then? And if it was a different body, how did he get the ring back?
 
The Elven rings of power had no effect on how good you were in battle-that was not what they were made for, so Gandalf having the Elven ring is a moot point since it didn't help him much in battle, though it did raise spirits.

Sauron managed to keep the ring after his body was destroyed following the destruction of Numenor. I don't know how they did it but they both managed to keep the rings-besides Gandalf was being helped by Eru, who can do anything he likes. :D
 
Inderjit S said:
The Elven rings of power had no effect on how good you were in battle-that was not what they were made for, so Gandalf having the Elven ring is a moot point since it didn't help him much in battle, though it did raise spirits.
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Is it your point that the elven rings have no effect, neither on living nor on things?? And if so, can you sustain your position with anything?
Because if they have any sort of effect, they can be used in battle.
 
True, the elven rings were not designed as weapons of war or domination. But next to the one ring they were the most powerful artifacts in Middle Earth. They had to have a few qualities G could draw on in a tight spot. It seems logical to assume that the ring of fire helped protect Gandalf from the Balrog's fire. It must have. Besides, Gandalf makes mention of the ring before they have at it. Something to the affect of "The dark flame will not avail you" because he is the "wielder of the flame of Arnor".

(from memory. Hopefully I'm not bringing in any movie nonsense)
 
"'You cannot pass,' he said. The orcs stood still, and a dead silence fell. 'I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass."
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The secret fire is a reference to Eru. It makes sense that G would serve the secret fire. Wielder of the Flame of Anor (thanks for the spelling correction) is what I've always assumed was a reference to the ring of fire he carried. Anor means sun but Gandalf couldn't have wielded the sun. Seems odd. Unless, as Feanor imbued the silmarils with the light of the trees, Celebrimbor imbued his creation with the light of the sun thus making the ring of fire.

I like that argument. Which is what most of this comes down to. Against it you have the fact that these rings are supposed to be secret. Why would G tell a Balrog of all things? It could be that G really didn't want to fight a balrog and was telling him that while he seemed weak he had the power to resist him.
 
I believe that flame of Udun and flame of Anor reffer to a metaphore, bad and good, I bet Gandalf simply says "good will overcome evil", something like a battle-cry or the likes.

"to challenge the white fire of his foe" - perhaps this reffers to Gandalf being the white fire, not to him wielding it.
 
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