HobbitGirl
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King Elessar and Arwen had a son. Does anyone know his name??????
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Too royal for us bro, I wouldn't dare it whilst Aragorn is alive or even after.Bet they were babes.
I am ashamed of myself.![]()
How far afield we wander...so pleased I am to have such noble and wise companions with which to share my time...
This is mixing first and second edition LotR.The discussion on Eldarion's birth year now moves on to what is considered 'canon' in Tolkien's work.
There was no further mention of the two or more daughters Aragorn and Arwen had, but if we are to take this NoME bit as 'canon', then the (2 or more) daughters of Aragorn and Arwen would have aged similarly as Eldarion (remained 20 year old 'hot' and start to show ageing at age 60), and Eldarion, having been born in year 1 of the 4th age; lived to be 125; and ascended to the throne upon King Aragorn's death in 120 of the 4th age when Aragorn tells Arwen in Appendix A - Tale of Aragorn and Arwen:
"And Eldarion our son is a man full-ripe for kingship".
So according to that part from NoME, he was 119 when Aragorn lays down his life, and Eldarion dies at 125 in 126 of the 4th Age; having ruled for 6 years. It would be one of the shortest reigns of a king.
This is mixing first and second edition LotR.
When this note was written (in the context of first edition LotR), Aragorn died in 4A 100.
So this is 1st edition → If Eldarion was born in year 1 and lived to be 125, and Aragorn dies in year 100, then Eldarion ruled for 25 years?
As with first edition, correct no birth year or death year is given in second edition LotR for Eldarion. The years given outside of LotR are more difficult as they are taken from possibly contradictory or inconsistent writings on the subject of the abandoned 'The New Shadow' text. That is the very late Letter 338: "I have written nothing beyond the first few years of the Fourth Age. (Except the beginning of a tale supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldarion about 100 years after the death of Aragorn...), from 1972, compared to the (pre-second edition) Letter 256 ("I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall [of Mordor]...") from 1964. And the The New Shadow manuscripts themselves which variously have "less than 120 years" and "nearly 110 years", for pre second edition, and then in 1968 Tolkien copies one of the manuscripts keeping the 110, and then making another copy changing it to 105 years after the Downfall of Mordor. CT says he is at loss to explain the second (105), while the first (110) is likely that Tolkien was simply taking up the text as already written. See PoMe, The New Shadow.The second edition is no birth year given for Eldarion (estimated to be anywhere from year 30 to 46) and Aragorn dies in year 120, and Eldarion rules until his death in ... year 226?
Thanks for this wise @Tar-Elenion !!!Essentially correct (though, of course, Tolkien does not give a birth or death year for Eldarion in LotR, only in sources outside it).
As with first edition, correct no birth year or death year is given in second edition LotR for Eldarion. The years given outside of LotR are more difficult as they are taken from possibly contradictory or inconsistent writings on the subject of the abandoned 'The New Shadow' text. That is the very late Letter 338: "I have written nothing beyond the first few years of the Fourth Age. (Except the beginning of a tale supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldarion about 100 years after the death of Aragorn...), from 1972, compared to the (pre-second edition) Letter 256 ("I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall [of Mordor]...") from 1964. And the The New Shadow manuscripts themselves which variously have "less than 120 years" and "nearly 110 years", for pre second edition, and then in 1968 Tolkien copies one of the manuscripts keeping the 110, and then making another copy changing it to 105 years after the Downfall of Mordor. CT says he is at loss to explain the second (105), while the first (110) is likely that Tolkien was simply taking up the text as already written. See PoMe, The New Shadow.