Tyaronumen
Agent of the West
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The Fellowship of the Ring:The Bridge of Khazad-dum : page 428What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to go before it.
Originally posted by Flame of Utumno 'Balrog' is the Sindarin translation of the Quenya name 'Valaraukar', which should translate as 'evil or corrupted Valar'. This being the case, they must be as awesome to behold as one of the Valar, but absolutely terrifying and hideous at the same time. (Concerning wings, they definitely have wings as stated by Tolkien in The Lord of the Rings when describing the Balrog in the mines of Moria.)
Originally posted by Flame of Utumno I believe that Tolkien did not intend Sindarin and Quenya to be completely independent as your statement suggests, because 'Power-Demon' is very different to 'Demon of Might'. I believe that the two words have an identical meaning and that since the Quenya is the older language and since most of Sindarin is an derived from Quenya, then the two must have the same meaning. 'Vala' in Quanya = 'Bal' in Sindarin, and 'Rauco' in Quenya = 'Rog' in Sindarin.
Concerning wings, at the end of the day, each Balrog was a corrupted Vala, therefore as each Vala was an individual being, some may have had wings whilst others may have taken on another form. It just happens that the one in the Moria mine had wings. There is no literary or vagueness about its usage in this particular context ...
I would also like to ask the question why so many of you dislike the notion of Balrogs having wings? Being corrupted maia, surely some of them were capable of choosing the form they took and some most probably chose to have wings... I think it understimates their greatness if they were not capable of having wings and so I believe balrogs most probably had wings if they so desired (as the one in Moria had). Looking forward to your reply..
Originally posted by Flame of Utumno
I would also like to ask the question why so many of you dislike the notion of Balrogs having wings? Being corrupted maia, surely some of them were capable of choosing the form they took and some most probably chose to have wings... I think it understimates their greatness if they were not capable of having wings and so I believe balrogs most probably had wings if they so desired (as the one in Moria had). Looking forward to your reply..
"These were the (ëalar) spirits who first adhered to him in the days of his splendour, and became most like him in his corruption: their hearts were of fire, but they were cloaked in darkness, and terror went before them; they had whips of flame. Balrogs they were named by the Noldor in later days ..."
"The Balrogs are 'demons of power' (...); they are capable of pain and fear (); they are attired in iron armour (); and they have whips of flame (a character they never lost) and claws of steel ()."
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