⚔️battle of 5 or 6 armys?

[Hama]

What about Beorn. I think he should count as an army in which case it should be battle of the eight armies...
And what about the hobbit. It should be nine really...

 

[Dûndorer]

ok, so now im confused. although im going to have to go with what grond said.

 

[Lillyaundra]

Originally posted by Hama
What about Beorn. I think he should count as an army in which case it should be battle of the eight armies...
And what about the hobbit. It should be nine really...

wellit was only one hobbit, and one Beorn so can that really count as a ARMY????

 

[Hama]

Well, he did single-handedly change the tide of battle. So perhaps, one can argue, yes.

 

[DGoeij]

More single-clawedly, but you're right, that one-bear army crushed the Orcish army like a nut.

 

[Dûndorer]

dictionary...

ARMY- n. (1) a large, orginized body of soldiers for waging war, especialy on land. (2) a millitary unit

does that help with the one man army thing.

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Bilbo got knocked out and didn't do anything so he wasn't in the battle and i think beren and the eagles turned the tide of the war but you dont have to do that with an army. I would say they weren't an army. Wouldn't Beren come under men?? Isn't he from the race of beor??

 

[Lillyaundra]

True, but you can destory the entire planet with one bomb. But does that one bomb count as an army??

 

[DGoeij]

I think a bomb is a weapon, used by an army Anyway, Beorn wasn't part of the men from the Lake City.

 

[Lillyaundra]

true enough. I know that they wer epowerfull, and changered the outcome of the battle, but do they count as an army???? I say no because one army is made of more then one creature. One creature can not make an army, not alone.

 

[DGoeij]

From www.yourdictionary.com :
Main Entry: ar.my
Pronunciation: 'är-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English armee, from Middle French, from Medieval Latin armata -- more at ARMADA
Date: 14th century
Inflected Form(s): plural armies
1 a : a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land b : a unit capable of independent action and consisting usually of a headquarters, two or more corps, and auxiliary troops c often capitalized : the complete military organization of a nation for land warfare
2 : a great multitude
3 : a body of persons organized to advance a cause

I guess an army is supposed to be more than one person/creature, before it can be called an army. So Beorn was a mighty warrior, but not an entire army.
In this sense I'd say the Eagles weren't an army in the real sense either.

 

[darkknight-nyc]

Originally posted by Durin of moria
What about the bats? they were there.
Sure they did not kill anyone, but they had to poop some where.

Use of chemical warfare?

 

[Camille]

It is only the 5 armys the eagles were at last and did not participate as the others 5.

 

[Durin of moria]

hold on now
i just happen to know about one man armys
i myself am a one man army
so i think that a man who is not quite a man
but more like a bear should count as an army

by the way how many armys ae we up to now

 

[Dûndorer]

i say we bring JRRT back to life and ask him. j/k

this thread should be called: the battle of 5, 6, 7, or 8 armys

hahaha

 

[Dûndorer]

i forgotto say that if this is part of what army meens

a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land

that rules out the eagles. they are in the air.

so we have 5 armies, 1 air force(eagles), 1 warrior(beorn), 2 groups of watchers(birds & bats), and what else?

 

[Durin of moria]

you know the bats were in such a great force that they made the sky dark so that would have helped the orcs
so the bats did help
and on the wolves they are not an army
any more than horses should be because the orcs rode them like a man rides a horse and like a the wolves the horse can hurt people
ever heard of warhorse

 

[Dûndorer]

hmmmmmmm, yes but i never seen a group of horses attack by themselvs. oh man, an answerless question.

 

[Viceras Daydark]

What I got out of the book

Of the five armies

1)Dwarves
2)Men
3)Elfs

vs

4)Orcs
5)Wargs

The idea the book gave me was that the Eagles weren't initially involved in the battle. Its hard for me to recollect as it was a while ago when I read The Hobbit, but I would definately say of my own opinion that the Orcs and Wargs were two different armies, allied, yes, but not the same. Though the Orcs did ride the Wargs, the wargs were very capable on their own of being a force to be reckoned with. The Orcs simply rode the Wargs to the Lonely Mountain as it made their travelling swifter, and two heads are also better than one. I do not doubt that after their rider was slain, the wargs continued on with the battle.

As my memory is quite bad, it being so long since I read The Hobbit, I seem to recollect the Eagles taking no major part in the battle, if at all, and if they did, I believe it was just a little "clean up" job of the remaining "evil" forces.

-Viceras Daydark

PS: This post is in response only to the original post. I read the first page of posts, but didn't get to the 2nd or 3rd, and simply wanted to put in my input as it seems most people counted the eagles and not the wargs, and I wanted more voice for this theory. If you agree, thank you, and if you don't, books and imagination leaves room enough for different views. While I won't agree with your opinion, you are certainly entitled to it and yall may think I am wrong as well

 

[Rohansangel]

The Wargs are not counted as them and the Goblins were basically on the same side, but the Wargs were only used as transportation.

And if you really want to count in the Wargs, the Eagles didn't fight anyway. Whatever works for you.

~The Angel of Rohan