Beorn and Tom Bombadil [Merged]

Glory · Feb 17, 2002

I thiunk beorn was half human or something like that... tom was like some kind of mystical being he could be called witha song ...and he could speak to trees so he probalbly was something like Nature or something like that. Remember he was married with the daughter of the river.

¤-Elessar-¤ · Feb 17, 2002

No, the only true decendents of the house of Beor were Elrond and Elros, and Elrond had three children (Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen) and the decendents of Elros were the Dunedain, of whom Elessar Elfstone was accounted as the last.

Beleg Strongbow · Feb 17, 2002

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤
No, the only true decendents of the house of Beor were Elrond and Elros, and Elrond had three children (Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen) and the decendents of Elros were the Dunedain, of whom Elessar Elfstone was accounted as the last.

Yeah is suppose eh.

Beleg Strongbow · Feb 18, 2002

Originally posted by Glory
I thiunk beorn was half human or something like that... tom was like some kind of mystical being he could be called witha song ...and he could speak to trees so he probalbly was something like Nature or something like that. Remember he was married with the daughter of the river.

There are quite a few things about bombadil that relate 2 eru.
They both control things by song.
They were both the first
They are both nice and good hearted and can tell some stuff about the future (weather) and the ring had no hold over him as he was his "own" master. Could Tom be Iluvatar? Maybe keeping watch on a M.E? Or if not maybe a maia or lost vala? They can control stuff by music Melkor ruining Iluvatar's song and they were the first being's alive?
But who knows eh???

Úlairi · Feb 25, 2002

Beorn is believed to be of the house of Beor, which right back to then they could change into bears!!! People belived the the descendants of the house of Beor were great magicains! Tom is a enigma, there have been countless threads on him. In fact, I am going to post one on him as well. I will present my theory on Tom in the Lord of the Rings forum, so keep your eyes open!!!

Beleg Strongbow · Feb 26, 2002

Originally posted by Ulairi
Beorn is believed to be of the house of Beor, which right back to then they could change into bears!!! People belived the the descendants of the house of Beor were great magicains! Tom is a enigma, there have been countless threads on him. In fact, I am going to post one on him as well. I will present my theory on Tom in the Lord of the Rings forum, so keep your eyes open!!!

Yes that is the most logical way of putting it.

Úlairi · Mar 1, 2002

Beorn was a man that could simply change into a bear. He was a great magician. Beorn was believed to be of the House of Beor (mentioned in the Sil) and Beor and all of his decendants could also change into bears! The Beornings were Beorn's children!

Chymaera · Mar 23, 2002

Beorn seems to be one of those charactor annomalies that Tolkien in his stories; like Bombadil, Stone Giants, Uruk-hai, and Shelob.
They are put in to move the story along and then they are dropped.
Beorn is a Were-bear (and a vegan besides), for a mortal man this should not be mention as a matter of course without further mention or explaination of how this came to pass.

del_user(tom_bombadil) · Mar 24, 2002

You may or may not know but bombadill was a charecther tolkien had based on himself or so im told. as some one said earlier that bombadill may be Iluvatar keeping an eye on Middle earth. But how Iluvatar if he was keeping an eye on middle earth would keep an eye on the whole thing not just set borders as bombadill has. Bombadill will not step out of his borders. And how can he be a valar because the valars have a master but bombadill is his own master so there for it makes no sense. he cannot be a maiar either because as we know sauron was a maiar. and the ring had an effect on sauron but not on tom. Tom is most likely just a force that was placed in Middle Earth to guard a part of it from danger. because as we see on the border of mirkwood we have a guardian who knows a lot about it. Watever they are beyond understanding!

pippin le qer · Mar 25, 2002

Tom Bombadil probably is the essence of MiddleEarth, that was left after the ordering and organising by Valar, unpoluted by the influence of Melkor, that became his own being inso a personification of Tolkien's creativity that stayed raw and didn't result in a story or tale, but was still active till the last day of his life.
Tom Bombadil will never fit into a catagory

Ancalagon · Apr 17, 2002

You may find more information on Beorn here http://thetolkien.forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3757

Úlairi · Apr 24, 2002

Yes, Ancalagon and I were having quite the debate.

Beleg Strongbow · Apr 24, 2002

I see you did

Dáin Ironfoot I · Dec 4, 2002

Beorn

Beorn evidently was a shapeshifter, that much is said in the Hobbit. Now the only other shapehifter I know of Radagast the Brown; are there any others? And beacuse Beorn can turn into a bear, does that mean he is a Maia?

Mablung · Dec 4, 2002

I don't believe he lived longer than a normal man making it unlikely he is a Maia.

Dáin Ironfoot I · Dec 4, 2002

Well then, how do you explain the shapeshifting? Tolkien left some mysteries with his books, no?

BTW, Beorn was a HUGE guy right?

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Meklos · Dec 6, 2002

Tolkien stated in letter 144 (sorry don't have the whole quote with me) that his lifespan wasn't any longer than a regular man, and that "although a skin-changer and no doubt a bit of a magician, Beorn was a Man".

Also, lots of things mentioned in the Hobbit aren't found anywhere else in his writing, like Giants in the Misty Mountains and wereworms in the Last Desert(?). I've always wondered about Beorn too, though.

Confusticated · Dec 6, 2002

Here's a thread about it.

Beorn · Dec 6, 2002

Beorn is dead; see vol. I p. 241. He appeared in The Hobbit. It was then the year Third Age 2940 (Shire-reckoning 1340). We are now in the years 3018-19 (1418-19). Though a skin-changer and no doubt a bit of a magician, Beorn was a Man.

I'm dead

Wolfshead · Dec 8, 2002

Radagast was a shape shifter? I didn't know that, are you sure?

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