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Cordial of Imladris

DeadmenDike

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Gandalf says the miruvor is very precious, possibly the last vintage from Valinor. He still has it when he falls in Moria. I wonder if the flask was lost or if he had a chance to polish it off. I like to think he did a Popeye with spinach on his way down.
The last physical embarkation from Valinor to Middle Earth was the end of the 1st age right?
 
I'm not sure he ever said it was from Valinor. " 'Give them this,' said Gandalf, searching in his pack and drawing out a leathern flask. 'Just a mouthful each - for all of us. It is very precious. It is miruvor, the cordial of Imladris. Elrond gave it to me at our parting. Pass it round!' "

I also recall Glorfindel giving the hobbits a sip of something invigorating as they were hauling ass to the Ford of Bruinen. As he was from Rivendell, I suspect it was the same thing, but it was not named in that chapter.

They probably had much better stuff in Valinor... Adrian Carsini would have paid $5,000 a bottle! 😁
 
Miruvor might be different than miruvórë which was from Valinor, but since Gandalf says it's very precious it can be assumed to be the same. If so, very precious indeed! Perhaps the very last drops in middle earth.
If Gandalf or the nameless things did not finish it, there is a treasure down there. I doubt the balrog would have risked a snort.
 
Miruvor, full form miruvóre, or Sindarin miruvor.

According to RGEO, the Eldar derived this word from Valarin, and "Its making and the meaning of its name were not known for certain, but the Eldar believed it to be made from the honey of the undying flowers in the gardens of Yavanna, though it was clear and translucent."

Perhaps this is one subject we'll get to learn more about in CFH's new book?

Could the Eldar -- especially someone wearing one of the Three to hold back the unwanted "ageing" of flowers -- make something similar in Middle-earth, something named after the Valarin "mead"?

Someone wearing Vilya maybe . . . or Nenya?

Bueller?
 
I’ve discussed this before someplace, here or on another forum.

Since this is the cordial of Imladris, it was probably made in Rivendell. I see no reason why something with an origin in Valinor could not be, at least in part, remade by the Eldar of Middle-earth provided that it was not a false copy or substitute for Valinor: That was the downfall of the Smiths of Eregion, who when tempted by Sauron in disguise as “Annatar” attempted to make their own Utopia or “Heaven on Earth”, an act that always ends badly. Annatar tempts them in Silmarillion “Of the Rings of Power”,
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Wherefore should Middle-earth remain for ever desolate and dark, whereas the Elves could make it as fair as Eressëa, nay even as Valinor? And since you have not returned thither, as you might, I perceive that you love this Middle-earth, as do I. Is it not then our task to labor together for its enrichment, and for the raising of all the Elven-kindreds that wander here untaught to the height of that power and knowledge which those have who are beyond the Sea?​
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Laying aside temptation, however, in the essay “Of Lembas” found in Peoples of Middle-earth, we read that
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The Eldar say that they first received [lembas] from the Valar in the beginning of their days in the Great Journey. For it was made of a kind of corn which Yavanna brought forth in the fields of Aman, and some she sent to them by the hand of Oromë for their succor upon the long march [from Cuiviénen to the Western Sea]. …​
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Since it came from Yavanna, the queen, or the highest among the Elven-women of any people, great or small, had the keeping and gift of the lembas, for which reason she was called massánië or besain: the Lady, or breadgiver.​
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The seed of this corn (“wheat” to us North Americans) originated in Aman and retained some of the strength of that hallowed land, “which it could impart to those who had the need and right to use the bread.” Melian sent lembas to Turin by the hand of his friend Beleg Strongbow, and Galadriel her student in turn gave it to the Company of the Ring.

If lembas could be used for rightful purposes in Middle-earth, I suspect miruvor could, too. The notion that Gandalf’s vintage must have originated in Valinor proper seems to me a stretch: at least he would have called it the cordial of Valinor or some such; instead he refers to its source as Imladris and tells the others that Elrond himself gave it to him. It is precious, no doubt: its ability to revive the Company after the disastrous attempt to cross the Redhorn Pass and the terrifying experience at the West-gate of Moria were considerable. It was moreover shared by nine people both times, so its scarcity was paramount: “precious”. Notice that it was used in much the same way that Europeans or Americans would use brandy or cognac.
 
The notion that Gandalf’s vintage must have originated in Valinor proper seems to me a stretch: [ . . .]

H&S appear to agree, suggested in the wording for their Reader's Guide: "Within the mythology presumably named after a cordial (flavored drink) of the Valar . . ."

Anyway, nice post. That's what I really came to say!
 
Did the Valinor reference appear in the movies? I don't know where else it could come from.

And welcome to the forum, DeadmenDike! 😊
 

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